MadMonkey: That formula you speak of, or the 150% increase per move....150 bid after a bid of 100 has many variables. It depends on the size of the group, the bkr of the players involved...etc... and only works on the 16/16 ponds. Actually as the players now bid higher its obsolete and doesn't work. Many have asked me (or I asked them) to help them in ponds as I was trying to get more players involved ....and many currently play..

C'mon mate. we have known each other for over 5 years and we both have great respect for tenuki. He has won all my prize ponds and over 50% of all my prizes. My point is, that a player with his unbelievable gaming skills doesn't have to stoop this low....there is no formula for two players to be 1 point off an entire game. Can you at least agree to that point even if its not a game you like?