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Discuss about this new multiplayer game or comment current runs. (includes all versions of the game)

Game link..... Ponds
Ratings link..... Regular Pond Ratings -and- Dark Pond Ratings -and- Run in the Rain Ratings
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13. Juni 2005, 19:10:14
Bry 
Emne: Re: resign
BIG BAD WOLF: How about then, if a player bids "0", then they fall into the pond, and all other bets are "refunded" and the next round starts with everyone on the same amount as points as the previous round but with the "resigned" player in the pond??

13. Juni 2005, 19:10:06
Czuch 
Emne: Re:
Walter Montego: I think that if there is a pattern of collusion among some players with no logical explaination (like this most recent incident) then these people will eventually be found out and booted from the site and lose their bkr. In the meantime just play and have fun with it...

13. Juni 2005, 19:05:50
Czuch 
Emne: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: If it is in fact determined by the globs and Fencer that stating what you are going to bid is cheating, then anyone who does this should be banned from playing and lose their bkr. Simple enough, but you must determine if it is in fact cheating (or if brainking thjinks it is cheating) and let everyone know in the rules that it is prohibited.

13. Juni 2005, 19:02:59
Bry 
Emne: Re: The same pond.....
Walter Montego: You can call it a collusion all you want, it sounds like sour grapes to me.

If there really was a collusion, wouldn't it have made sense to "pull it" towards the end of the pond where it could have made a real difference??

It's a game of Pond. Why on earth would I want to, or anyone else for that matter, cheat? There's no prize on offer.

13. Juni 2005, 19:02:14
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re:
grenv: I've changed my mind. I will try to win the Ponds that I'm currently in, but will no longer play this game when those games are finished. The game Risk has this same problem to it and there is no way to eliminate it.

13. Juni 2005, 19:01:03
Luke Skywalker 
Please, leave ponds as they are. Problems like this will always happen in multiplayer games, they cannot be eliminated by more complicated rules. Making the game more complicated takes away some of the motivation for pawns to become paying members.

13. Juni 2005, 18:59:40
grenv 
I'm about to bid 1 in all my ponds. Everyone else may as well bid 2.

13. Juni 2005, 18:57:53
Pedro Martínez 
Tilpasset af Pedro Martínez (13. Juni 2005, 18:58:27)
Clay: What exactly are you upset at? Scooter betting 1 and posting about it in the discussion panel or Bry and me taking advantage of it? Would it be OK for you if Bry and I didn't bet what we bet? I don't understand that....

13. Juni 2005, 18:57:50
coan.net 
Emne: Re:
Bry: The problem with someone who bids 0 should be the same as a resign, is lets say the lowest person on the list only has 200 points left. So of course, everyone else bids 201. But they decided to resign - leaving everyone with good 201 bids to fall into the pond. So that is not fair either.

Just bid 0 or 1, and don't tell anyone. Telling anyone is cheating. I don't know this "Scooter", but what he did is cheating in my opinion.

13. Juni 2005, 18:57:33
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re: The same pond.....
Bry: I'm thinking of doing the same. You can say all you want, but it looks like collusion to me and I ain't going to play under these circumstances.

13. Juni 2005, 18:54:32
Bry 
Clay - are you serious? after what happened last round and the discussion in here you go and post that on discussion?

13. Juni 2005, 18:53:50
Bry 
Emne: The same pond.....
Clay has just posted this....

ClayNashvilleTn: (13. June 2005, 17:44:12) OK, I am very upset at what happened in this last round! I will be with drawing on this next round by bidding 1

13. Juni 2005, 18:52:08
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re:
Bry: That sounds like a good way to do it too.

13. Juni 2005, 18:50:31
Bry 
Emne: Re:
Walter Montego: I said ages ago that if a player bid's "0" then that should be a "resign", with the lowest player still falling in addition to the "resigned" player. That way, it does not affect the game.

It works on Round 1, so why not extend it to all rounds and advertise the new rule??

Seems the logical and easy fix to such problems.

13. Juni 2005, 18:46:24
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re:
Czuch Chuckers: If someone resigns, a notice could be sent to all people in the Pond and the time moved to the next day's time. Since we now have one less player it wouldn't add to the length of the Pond doing that. Everyone one involved would get plenty of time to change their bid or leave it alone.

13. Juni 2005, 18:45:43
Bry 
Emne: Re:
Czuch Chuckers: Quite right. I saw Scooter's post (and no - I dont even know him or her - which answers the question on discussion) and decided to gamble and bet 2. Pedro obviously did the same but bet 10. It could have so easily gone wrong and I would have been out early but it didnt.

I agree, if you dont want to play, just bet "0" or "1" and dont tell anyone, but I can assure you there is or was no conspiracy before any "accusations" are banded about.

Seems to me that the 2 players who had the guts to chance it that round were rewarded for their gamble.

13. Juni 2005, 18:43:23
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re: Another way to resign
Czuch Chuckers: Resigning is a loss, so I'd think you'd stay on the fell in list.

For all that discussion that was had about making it possible to resign, I don't recall anyone mentioning just taking yourself out of the Pond. That seems like the least disruptive way to have someone resign.

13. Juni 2005, 18:42:36
Czuch 
.... although what happens when you have 500 points left and are in last place and I bid 501 and you resign after I make my bid? The only real way is for you to bid all of your points, and not just try and be the low bidder. Then you would be at zero and everyone would see that, and you would not even have to make another play.

13. Juni 2005, 18:36:58
Czuch 
Emne: Re: Another way to resign
Walter Montego: That seems like a good "resign" alternative. Just so long as they still remain on the "fell into the pond" list, so that you could not just remove yourself from a bad game to avoid the drop in bkr :)

13. Juni 2005, 18:34:23
Czuch 
Look folks... get over it already. There is no foul, imo. Anyone can post anything they want to in any game. Doesnt make it true or anything. You also may read it (unless you play before them and miss it) but what you do with that info is up to you. As long as people arent telling their friends only, etc, it seems ok to me. Pedros 10 bid could have just as easily put him in the pond, right?


We have discussed the "resign" option at length. There seems to be no real solution and even if there is, it seems Fencer is not interested in implimenting it anyway.

13. Juni 2005, 18:29:55
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re: Another way to resign
Walter Montego:Very simple,the creator of the pond should then delete the person or persons after the fact.
The rule would be simple,if a person declares they bid 1 2 or what ever the case may be,then everyone should not be allowed to bid and have Fencer automatically start the next bid,providing the creator checks the bids and give him the pond # and restart the bid minus that person.

13. Juni 2005, 18:21:33
Walter Montego 
Emne: Another way to resign
Yes, simply eliminating yourself from the Pond would seem like a fair way to leave the game too. Then it wouldn't matter at all what you bid. You'd just cease to be in the game.

13. Juni 2005, 18:17:01
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re:
Tilpasset af Universal Eyes (13. Juni 2005, 18:21:36)
Walter Montego:agree but in the first rounds should have the limitations placed ect like the first 5 rounds but then again if they stayed in the game it would eventually ruin it in the end.

Time for my math to go to work.lol
296 pond players to date 96 over the provisional.

13. Juni 2005, 18:16:11
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: That's fair if they keep it quiet too. Thing is they can message their buddies and do it that way. Simple phone is all it'd take.

I think my idea for being able to resign on the turn after would be fair. It wouldn't stop conspiracies, but it would enable the honest person to get out of the game without giving anyone and undo advantage.

13. Juni 2005, 18:12:56
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re:
Universal Eyes: This idea of not allowing you to bid lower than a previous doesn't sound like a workable thing to do to me. There's times when it's best to bid low. Not being allowed to bid lower in later rounds would make the game silly at the end when everyone has less points than their previous bid.

13. Juni 2005, 18:12:24
coan.net 
Emne: Re:
Andre Faria: Yea, I remember that happening in another pond early on (when it was still new for people.)

What happen was someone posted that they did not like the ponds and was going to bid 1 on the next turn.

Problem was I had already placed my bid and never got to see the message - and the few that did got to take advantage of the low bid

It is unfair. I mean if someone wants out, then fine - let them bid 1. But don't let the others know and give them an advantage.

13. Juni 2005, 18:11:16
ClayNashvilleTN 
Emne: Re:
furbster:

13. Juni 2005, 18:08:53
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re:
ClayNashvilleTn:Correct June 7th 22:53:13

13. Juni 2005, 18:08:32
Andre Faria 
Emne: Re:
Walter Montego: As I said, not fair in my opinion. Perhaps that turn could be deleted, eliminating scooter and the other players would remain with the same amount of the previous turn?

13. Juni 2005, 18:07:55
furbster 
Emne: Re:
ClayNashvilleTn: looks like you won't need to know what to bid cos ur not there no more ::laughs evilly and runs away::

13. Juni 2005, 18:02:38
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re:
Tilpasset af Walter Montego (13. Juni 2005, 18:03:30)
Andre Faria: Just what assurance were they given that this Scooter would uphold his plan? I think it unfair to the rest of us that didn't know this guy that he would do this.

I think if someone wants to resign, they should be able to bid 1 and on the turn following it that will be their bid. An anouncement in the Pond will let everyone know this is going to happen and the remaining runners may bid whatever they think appropriate when the time comes.

13. Juni 2005, 18:00:25
ClayNashvilleTN 
Emne: Re:
Andre Faria: hmmmmmmmmmm a little psychology has now entered the mix??

13. Juni 2005, 17:56:48
Andre Faria 
Go to the discussion board of that pond and look at what scooter said in turn 22.

Not fair in my opinion, but that´s not Pedro and Bry´s fault...

13. Juni 2005, 17:55:13
ClayNashvilleTN 
How did Scooter know to bid -1
Bry-2 Pedro-10

13. Juni 2005, 17:52:32
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re:1-2 and 10
Tilpasset af Universal Eyes (13. Juni 2005, 17:53:57)
ClayNashvilleTn:Thanks I and BBW have observed the same issues regarding what i would call team betting,but on the pondside of points,there only hurting and sacri(frying)themselves!

13. Juni 2005, 17:48:30
Walter Montego 
Emne: Re: 2 and 10
ClayNashvilleTn: Me too.

13. Juni 2005, 17:45:02
grenv 
haha me too.

13. Juni 2005, 17:44:53
ClayNashvilleTN 
OK, I would like an explanation of this one?

http://brainking.com/game/Pond?g=145

13. Juni 2005, 17:43:01
ClayNashvilleTN 
Emne: Re:
furbster: Thanks for the tip! Now i'll know how to bid when you sign off!

13. Juni 2005, 17:38:19
furbster 
czuch i signed up without realising it was only an hour and i have to leave in one hour and 20 mins, so i can only move twice mroe.. i need to get lucky

13. Juni 2005, 17:25:40
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re:Ponds
Tilpasset af Universal Eyes (13. Juni 2005, 17:36:26)
Czuch Chuckers:It could always be pre timed,with an allowable 3 minutes per bid and let the time run an addional 1 minutes past due,causing the late bidders a penalty per minute against there points,which would calculate to a 1 hour and 4 minute game.Also using that method there would be people that don't make that last minute,therefore lowering the time of the game even lower.

13. Juni 2005, 17:14:09
Czuch 
Yeah.... its gonna be kinda hard to find 16 people to play and be online for even 5 hours, but 1 hour would be more realistic. (I think) It will be interesting to see how many people fall in encers 1 hour game because they are not online to move.

13. Juni 2005, 16:38:34
Universal Eyes 
Emne: Re: Ponds
Czuch Chuckers: Correct it could possibly be turned into a minimum bid per round,therefore people would be falling in when there unable to keep up to the required bid (example)500 minimum first bid,2nd round,1000,3rd round 1500 and so on,it could be played quicker then a Bingo game.

13. Juni 2005, 16:33:14
grenv 
Emne: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: i disagree, 3 minutes is only 48 minutes for a game. Go to the bathroom before starting!!

13. Juni 2005, 16:32:37
coan.net 
Emne: Re:
grenv: Actually 3 minuts is a little short - hopefully no long bathroom breaks!

Maybe a quick 10-15 minute option (both for ponds and tournaments) would be good - that way it would be like almost playing a "live" game, but still a little wiggle room if you get pulled away for a few minutes.

13. Juni 2005, 16:15:23
grenv 
Emne: Re:
Czuch Chuckers: I like the 3 minute option as well, who's going to be online 16 hours straight?

13. Juni 2005, 16:00:53
Czuch 
I like the hour idea.... however, like BBW said, that makes for a 16 hour game and doesnt really seem like a very good option.

My idea (and some others) was for ponds for say 3 minutes or 5 minutes or something like that so a whole game could be completed in an hour or less.

13. Juni 2005, 15:50:15
coan.net 
REQUEST: When playing a pond, it is easy to tell the difference between a pond and a dark pond since in dark everything is hidden.

But I notice currently the only difference in the rain is the little "name" with a green dot near the top.

Is there a way you can make it look a little more different - possible put a green outline around the running players list so it will be easier to tell something is different (Like is done with all the chess variants so you can quickly tell what you are playing by the outline color)

13. Juni 2005, 15:41:16
coan.net 
Wow - 1 hour time limits - so basicly for a 16 player pond, you beter make sure you are on-line during the 15 hours following the start. (Well for rain, I guess it would be at least 7 hours.) (then again, I guess a little less if multiple players fall in.)

13. Juni 2005, 15:39:36
coan.net 
Emne: Rain
Would it make since to add a rule that says when the last 2 players are left, only the lowest bid will fall - leaving the higher bid to win?

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