Czuch: there was a news report here that most of them make between 40 to 80 THOUSAND DOLLARS per year!!!!
I am SERIUOSLY thinking that that would be a VERY small percent that are like that???
you have idiots in every walk of life...EVERY walk of life

Czuch: The federal government is a huge beaurocratic mess, they cant do anything without triple copies in duplicate, you always hear stories of how they paid $1000 dollars for a hex nut or whatever, they cant even pay their own bills etc etc....
Have you NEVER seen "Independance Day" ??? thats how they fund area 51.....sheesh

Czuch: I think we need government..I just think the people should have a more active roll in what it does...like their payraises...we should have a say in if that happens or not....the bank bail out..what about OUR voice being heard of if the government should have done it or not..prayer in schools,taxes...checks and balances sure,within the system they have it,let US be heard too tho....they govern to us what THEY think is right but never actually see what the people feel about it.
LOVE the ones that sit there on their moral high horses and then it comes out they had a gay affair,LMAO...those are the best.

Czuch: a Republican Pres has never "told us what to do" while sitting in office? I have MORE veiws that aline with Dem,thats why I vote Dem...PERIOD.IF I had more views that alined with Rep...then I would vote Rep...but I don't.

Tuesday: glad everything made sense,I read it twice before posting,lol....no cold,I blew my knee out again last Monday and have been back on pain meds,crutches and have it braced again

Czuch: you keep wanting to "lump" everyone...liberal OR conservative...I am really niether...I think most people are idiots...thats why I work with animals....
I agree with Tuesday..people SHOULD be held responsible for their own actions,I think prayer SHOULD be back in school too...maybe I wouldn't pray to they same God you did,and maybe you wouldn't pray at all,but it would be owr own free choices....not like Tuesday would be shouting the Lord's prayer in the face of an athiest,and nor should they scream back God doesn't exsist....if everyone just silently did their own thing...why should it matter...who is it hurting...taking scores out of games is just rediculios....kids SHOULD want to win,not just slide by.If I have a kid that wanted to "slide by" and not work to achieve greater things,I would toss him into a hole somewhere.
Where the hell am I going with this post? I dunno,I am still medicated,lol....anywho..I THINK my point was going to be that you are the one that is trying to lump libs and conservs...sometimes people just dont fit into your lil molds..if that wasn't the point I was trying to make,let me get off these pills and then I will make it :)

Tuesday: I was swatted one time...but no,never spanked....never had to with me,lol...that look and OMG if Daddy pointed his finger at me!!! AHHHHH! run for the hills! lol really tho...I tested Mom one time in the store...If I acted up,she would tell me settle down or we are leaving the store....and I did always settle down...one time I thought,HA! no we wont leave! guess who was takin out of the buggy and marched right out of the store?? She left the buggy right there in the middle the the aisle way..it was K-Mart..I remember that! never again did I test her on that one!!

Tuesday: agree that most parents are affraid to disipline....ya know,my parents never had to spank me...all it took was "the look" with me,lol....but I KNEW that if I acted up or stepped out of line,there WAS a consiquince (sp) to my actions...A good healthy fear of parents,I think can be a good thing...parents today try to nogotiate with kids....bullcrap,they are a kid,you are the parent,period.

Artful Dodger: because YOU can back up EVERY single statement you have,right? you can show me proof ...PROOF of EVERY single statement?? yes??

Pedro Martínez: ROTFLAMO!

Tuesday: I couldn't make it past that smirk on his face,and I am heavily medicated right now!!

Czuch: as they all are

Czuch: ROTFLMAO...that really DID make me laugh out loud too!!

Czuch: lol,right now vicodin,and I will never share..they are mine...MINE I SAY!!! ! *runs away giggling like a schoolgirl

anastasia: *jab...sorry,highly medicated right now,lol

Charles Martel: that was a job to me...indirectly

Vikings: do YOU understand the meaning of helping others?
doesn't really matter...like I said said agian and again..we will never agree on this stuff,so be it,whatever.
Bush had a few good things while in office...I think he had more negative..MY OPINION.
your is that..what he was wonderful?? ok,cool,glad ya feel that way..glad ya feel which ever way ya wanna feel...I'm done with this whole thing...I don;t care what I say,what I don't say...what you say,what you don't say.....we disagree...THAT I think is something we can agree on!

Vikings: OMG...wow! no kidding wow...yeah THAT totally changed my mind on EVERYTHING then....oh,no it didn't...sorry,my bad....Against the law...hmmm,ok....it would be against the law for Bush to step in and help...yeah,because he has always worried about what the people have thought of him.
It's not just me that thinks he should have helped more....I'm just the one here saying anything about it....how about sucking it up and just say...ya know what,these people are TRAPPED and need some help....ohhh,noooo,I think I would rather stay on vacation

Charles Martel: the USA in my opinion has no business forcing their "model" or ideals on other countries.........true....I ahve always thgouht that way

Artful Dodger: Help should have started at a local level...when THAT failed,and we seen imagies on TV of bloated bodies floating around the city,people stuck on the roofs of their houses,all the people stuck in the football stadium,begging for help,for water,for food for a way out,when the local level failed as it did,the Whitehouse SHOULD HAVE stepped in.
He finds it very easy to butt his nose into others problems all over the world but when Katrina hit...Bush was....oh yeah!! VACATION! he was on vacation,playing golf,and singing his little country songs and roasting mashmellows...thats what Bush was doing.Was it HIS responsibility and his ALONE to help,nope,but for God's sake,put the marshmellows down,step away from the golf club and ...here's a thought...HELP YOUR COUNTRYMEN OUT!

Artful Dodger: so now I am also uninformed....ya know...you guys and your left side right side,liberal,conservative....what if by chance I just don't happen to fall into any of your lil steriotypes?? I AM a democrat...WHO says I am a liberal right winged one?? you?? Chuck?? WHO said I HATED BUSH from DAY ONE?? you?? Chuck??? because I surely didn't.so you say I don't need a spreadsheet,I don't need to mail you some documents,WHAT do you want?? what do you want!? I think my opinions ARE rational...but wtf do I know anyways,huh? NOTHING I say you will be happy with...you nit pick EVERYTHING to death.I want YOU to show ME some rationale to Bush's desisions in his favor.Guess what....you can and I still would probably NOT agree with them...so where does that leave us?? back to square one.

Artful Dodger: open you eyes and you will SEE the why....do I have documents I can put in the mail to ya...no,I don't sorry about that.
Like I said...we can debate this till the day we both die,we will never agree.This is a moot point between us,really.No one wins...I have my feelings,you have yours...I just hope you are happy with how Bush led our country the past 8 years and the legacy that he has left...

Artful Dodger: I have stated them,they are appearently just not good enough for you

Artful Dodger: if you said he was a bad choice,I wouldn't really care WHY you thought he was,point is,its YOUR right to believe he is a bad choice...I might be curious and ask why,sure,but I wouldn't say your opinion is pointelss because you choose not to "back it up with facts".
I feel Bush's track record speaks for itself of his bad choices....I also feel tho,and I was just talking to a friend about this the other day...that perhaps he didn't surround himself with the best people,to make the best choices.

Czuch: I believe "Bush Haters" yes,absoluty LOVE when somethng would go badly so they can point and say I told you so.
I,however...and you can believe this or not,It really doesn't matter to me....would NEVER wish for someone to fail at anything,espeacially something as big as that...

Czuch: ok FIRST OFF...LMAO at the choc ice cream...that was just funny as all get out! again...I didn't hate Bush from day one....also...IYO....do you think...that even after we ARE able to leave Iraq,they will ever be able to take care of themselves..defend themselves?? OR do you think,the US will ALWAYS have to have some kind of a military presents there?
NOW...I mean it this time...I REALLY need to finish my German

Czuch: I WAS NOT AGAINST IT....I JUST SAID.....omg,would you READ! I JUST POSTED that I WAS in favor of the war,in the begining! NOW we need to get something,a timeline to get out!
whats done is done...with Sadam,with the weapons...its DONE...now we need to scoot!

Czuch: we found NO weapons...so how is it false information?
you THINK we shouldn't get a plan togther to pull our troops out?? what,do ya wanna make this into a 100 years war or something?
I didn't vote for Bush,nor did I like him...I didn't HATE him from day one...I let him prove himself...right,wrong or otherwise...
Ya know...you guys go spouting off that I am this and I am that,but you guys are the ones that put words into people mouths and twist stuff they say all the flippin time.
I'm done here.....gonna go finish my German lesson now...Auf Wiedersehen

Czuch: because MY opinion kept us over there longer...yeah....no

Artful Dodger: so unless I give you a spreadsheet,my opinion is worthless...so be it then

Artful Dodger: I don't like him.I supported him in the begining because he was our President and if we,as a nation,doesn't stand behind it's leader,how does that make us look?
Has he done some good things...yes! he has...he hasn't dicked up the ENTIRE 8 years,just the majority of it.....no doubt...I WILL point to Iraq.....did he screw it up...yep,I personally think that he handled it wrong...I think we could have been MORE sucessful over their if he had gone about things differently.....Now...you will I'm sure make your next post to me...well HOW Anastasia...HOW should have have done things differently...I dunno...I am not the one sitting in the big chair...but I think SOME THING could have been done,or can STILL be done to wrap this thing up already.
I blame ALOT of people for the economy....does he take most of my anger...yep...sort of like when the waitress brings you your food that is messed up...she is the one that catches the attitude altho the only thing she did was serve it to ya..she didn't cook it....but he had a hand in the economy too,as did alot of others...I really have no use for MOST of the poloticians sitting in Washington right now.
We are out here in a weak economy,people have to choose between paying a mortgage and putting food on the table,kids are getting sick and can't go to a Dr for treatment because they have no insurance and yet the politicians see fit to vote themsleves a payraise...ohhh,goodie for THEM!
We disagree on this Art....we always will,I'm sure....these are MY opinions....I am entitled to them,just like you are entitled to yours,it's allll good.I hate Bush tho,nothing you or Chuckie can say will change my mind on that

Czuch: sorry to take so long to get back to you Chuck...but I have a life outside of this board,Love :)
A few off the top of my head...The economy...His handling of Hurricane Katrina....His dealing with Russia....his dealing with Iraq.....his failure to capture Bin Laden......the unemployment rate.....

Artful Dodger: I have never denied anything good the man has done tho Art.It's just a shame,seriuosly,that what he has screwed up seems to far outweight the good that he has done.

Artful Dodger: I asked for 10.she asked for...6 I think?? 5 more for her,9 for me

Czuch: I'm not running around bragging about anyone being so damn great like you are with Bush, Chuck...and trust me,my list would be much stronger then yours is now tho,for sure....
Also...."the point that you refuse to comprehend is what the cost of doing nothing would have been?"
HOW do you know what I refuse to comprehend or NOT comprehend??
I DID agree with this war,in the beginning...I have NEVER EVER EVER said that I was opposed to it...after 9-11 I absolutly feel we needed to go kick somebody's a**! What I do NOT agree on is that Bush led us over there with the whole WOMD thing,and then guess what....we couldn't find any...then if THAT wasn't bad enough the JACKASS has the chahoonas to JOKE ABOUT IT! JOKE! Who the FLIP makes a JOKE about something like THAT?? the sick frig! Our guys and woman are over their DYING and he lifts up a TABLECLOTH and says..."opps,no weapons of mass destuction hiding there" *chuckle,chuckle* ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
We need to set a timeline up to get not only our military but also our civilians out of Iraq already.Enough is enough.I WAS in favor of military action,now we need to leave and let them either figure it out or blow each other up and be done with it! THAT is my point on it.

Czuch: are you serious? THIS is your list of a GREAT LEADER???? Pretty bad when you have to list his not haing an affair (that you know of,lets be fair here) as one of his GREAT feats as a President.
$587,014,855,847 cost of the war so far....how does number 8 figure into that

Bernice: oh,I agree!!

Bernice: 10 over 2 terms...should be easy for him to do...ALTHO,I ALSO asked him to do this..last month,I believe and he conviently ignored my post requesting it....I'm sure he will start with the death of Saddam and follow that by liberating Iraq...

Czuch: name 10

Artful Dodger: so on the news when they refer to the Palestinian people...who are they referring to?? I am NOT trying to be a smart a** either,lol...I am serious...who are they referring to then??

tazman7474: It irritates the crap outta me when you drive by in the morning and it is one price,drive by 2 hours later and it is up 20 cents...they're workin off the SAME tanks of gas they were 2 hours ago! please

Artful Dodger: this board would be really boring if we all agreed,lol

Vikings: their lives aren't being destroyed...why don't you go take apoll over there and ask the ones who have had family members killed,lost the only home they have ever known if their lives are being destroyed...They are being liberated...but at what cost??

Tuesday: at least Bush won't be in office to much longer to make anymore of his ignorant jokes about the war over their...

Artful Dodger: now who is putting words in peoples mouths?? I didn't think she implied that at all...a bit touchy,are ya?? so...let me get this straight...YOUR words..."but you said that even though he was doing good in Africa, he was also destroying homes in other countries. That's not accurate" ok,so it's NOT accurate that he is destroying homes...BUT you also say in the same post..... People killed, property destroyed. That is true. These things have happened. ummmm,NOW I am confussed..... "Israel is killing innocent civilians. It's inaccurate." so the lil 12 year old boy,or however old he was that I just saw on the news that was KILLED...he was not an innocent civilian???

Artful Dodger: she never said that he went for the SOLE PURPOSE of destroying homes

Jim Dandy: ROTFLMAO!!!!

Tuesday: there is NO reason that it should not be returned...that is ridiculious to allow them to piss it away like that!
The auto industry...look at how many jobs would have been effected by the ripple effect of them going under......EVERYONE should be made to give up...EVERYONE...from the CEO's to the lineworkers.....I know,ohhh boo-hoo me...I have to give up $10.00 an hour (or what ever,just throwing a number out there) but lets see....$35.00 VERSUS ZERO cuz ya have no job! And it should be lower then THAT even...the guys in the military,cops,people like THAT deserve to make the big bucks,NOT someone standing for 8 hours a day gluing 2 pieces of plastic together!!

Tuesday: right..which is why when they atarted doing that stuff with OUR money,they should have had the money taken right back from them.....WHY GIVE to them...why not lend to them as well?

Czuch: I think the banks should NOT have been bailed out...the auto industry,yep,loaned money is good.....I have head a TON of "conditions" with this money going to the auto industry..but honestly,when they gave the money to the banks....I didn't hear of any conditions.....where there any and I just missed them on the biased news that I watch??