Czuch:  I compost all the time and recycle everything.  Lots of people do.  And there are organizations that adopt parts of our highways and keep them clean.  Plus many people take great care of the land, which they should.  We are stewards of what we have an we ought to take good care of the land for ourselves and future generations. ;)  And BTW, I'm not a greener nor an environmentalist 

The Usurper: but it HAD to be done with a burlap bag...not sure why that was tho...

Artful Dodger: we do the same thing....all kitchen waste (apart from onion family) goes back into the ground. All else is sorted and put into appropriate bins for collection. Normal rubbish (if there is such a thing) gets collected once a week and all recycled rubbish gets collected every fortnight.

We have a funny little man in our area that walks the main road everyday picking up all tins bottles etc and takes it in his plastic bag with him....I always felt sorry for him but then realized that he was worth a lot of money as he took all the stuff home and onsold it LOL....also he get plenty of exercise as well hahahaha

Pedro Martínez: what is so confusing about that statement to you? man=humans
the earth is always refered to in a female term...it has also been called Gaia,after the Greek supreme goddess of Earth.... I don't make this stuff up,lol....earth and moon are seen as female...the moon and it's "cycles" (oiy..sorry to go THERE,lol) the sun is male...big burrly ball of light in the sky...

what is the use of deleting posts that are so far down the boards they are long gone and forgotten???
Grow up............

anastasia: What is so confusing to me about it? Go back to my previous post. You might notice two words there that I, for some reason, wrote in bold. Now begin to ask yourself: "Why did he write them in bold?" and you may find the answer.

Bernice:Well it wasn't me. 

anastasia: I think a burlap bag is what was available in those days. Also it could be tied quickly and still give the snipe wiggle room. The most important point, as I recall, was standing perfectly still and waiting....

Bernice: I had a post diappear once from here a few days or a week ago. I don't think Art had a hand in that one either. Some Silent Monitor decided it was out-of-bounds, I am supposing....

Here's the deal on deleting posts.  I've deleted one (that I remember) and that person was contacted.  According to the BK guidelines, a person should be contacted.  I'm going to try to clear this up.

In the meantime, cooler head will prevail.  The politics board can be attract some pretty heated exchanges.  Don't I know.  So when that happens, people need to go to their corners and take deep breaths.  Then rejoin the fray.  In the end, it's all for fun.  We're not going to change the world.  If we're lucky, we might change a mind or two and an issue here or there, but even if we don't, isn't freedom to speak our minds a great thing? ;)

Artful Dodger: It really is the most wonderful thing. Long live the Internet and long live the 1st Amendment! :o)

Good post, Art. I said before and I repeat....you've not used a heavy Moderator's hand, even as passionate as you are on certain topics....but restraint rather has been your hallmark. I commend you for this.

This is the simple formula for controlling the Mass Mind. Learn this and history, even as it happens, will take on a whole new perspective for you.

One other question to always ask is: Who Benefits?

The Usurper:I try.  :)

In a fullblown dictatorship, Problem-Reaction-Solution is strictly unnecessary. The government just muscles the people and does what it wants. Communist Russia & Nazi Germany are two good examples from opposite political poles....where each merges into its opposite on the circular political spectrum.

But for Western democracies, because they have overcome the darker forms of tyranny in the past, and where Freedom is ingrained among the people as a Birthright, brute force is not a sufficient means for unscrupulous government actors to impose their will, at least not until or unless the power residing in the people is dramatically reduced.

Thus, we have Problem-Reaction-Solution as an effective tool of manipulation.

The Problem-Reaction-Solution model postulates that we DO have unscrupulous government actors, even in Western democracies, who would like to reduce our freedoms and, if possible, move us into a dictatorship where their needs would be met at the expense of liberty for the people.

The best method for this, however, would be through subterfuge...i.e., get the people to choose less freedom in exchange for more security. This is where Problem-Reaction-Solution comes in as an effective means.

The Usurper:  We need Jack Bauer.  lol

The Usurper: and for once LOL.....I have to agree with you :)

Bernice:


I had a discussion with a guy once and he said that he wanted to give me a piece of his mind.

So I ripped out his frontal lobe. 

****if you really are troubled by the post, don't respond - take it to the moderator in private instead.****

the person that is complaining hasn't got the intestinal fortitude to do that.

he would rather go behind AD's back.

Artful Dodger: ha ha ha lol (double laugh)

Some examples:

1. We have the right to peaceful assembly and to redress grievances. But if instigators to violence are planted in a peaceful demonstration, the result is a crackdown on all public protests, their cordoning off into "free speech zones," etc. And the public in general may accept this because, after all, we can't have violence in our streets.

2. We have the right to keep & bear arms. But enough seemingly random violence in our cities & schools, etc., and pretty soon the people themselves (enough to make a difference) are crying for the removal of this basic right...an armed citizenry to withstand tyranny.

3. The Oklahoma City bombing is a good specific example. What was one major result from it? That was Clinton's Anti-Terrorism Bill, which removed some of our basic freedoms and eased restrictions on the military's involvement in domestic law enforcement.

4. The War on Drugs has been used to curtail our freedoms in many & various ways. This fits the model when it is realized that the CIA has been heavily involved in smuggling drugs into our country.

5. 9/11 is a textbook example. The process runs thus: a) create the Problem b) which forces a Reaction among the people c) then provide the Solution.

And again, it is in seeing Who Benefits from these insidious processes that we recognize the perpetrators. As a general rule, the result of the process is, less rights for the people, more power for the government....i.e., the centralization of authority.

Artful Dodger: So...ummm...could I have it back now?

Bernice: I would do a jig but that would embarrass both of us. lol Thanks :o)

The Usurper: thank god we do not have the right to bear arms......very strict rules come in after the Port Arthur Massacre on the 28th April 1996.

we have to get a permit from police to even own a gun and they are very strict as to whom they give them to.

The Usurper:"So...ummm...could I have it back now?"

Bernice: According to our political philosophy, rights are God-given and cannot be abridged, except in individual cases where some have trampled the rights of others, i.e., through criminal acts.

I'm not familiar with the details of the Port Arthur Massacre so have no opinion whether it constitutes an example of the Problem-Reaction-Solution model.

But your post makes my point in the following way: the "thank god that we do not have the right to bear arms," is an example of how the people can be persuaded to demand the removal of fundamental rights, for security's sake. This can apply not only to the bearing of arms, but of other rights also.

The Usurper:I worked at a job where they violated our right to bare arms.  I complained and even filed a lawsuit, but the judge said the firm I worked for had a right to a dress code.  So I had to wear the long sleeve shirts as part of my uniform. 

Once the people have lost both psychological & material means of self-defense, open dictatorship becomes possible. And that is the ultimate goal: a one-world dictatorship, under whatever name you care to give it. With technology this has suddenly become a real possibility.

Yeah, I guess I AM a conspiracy theorist. :o)

Artful Dodger: In your case, the judge was worried you might have something up your sleeve. :o)

The Usurper:I knew a potato farmer named Richard.  Well I only knew about him.  He was a ruthless boss and controled every aspect of the lives of those that worked for me.

He shipped his potato crop all over the world.  And thus the name for a ruthless leader began.  The ships were known as Dick's Tater Ships.  After a while, the words blended together.  Today, we call all ruthless leaders, after Richard the potato farming giant.

The Usurper:

Just one question for the group:  Did you find my story Dick's Tator Ship and "appealing" story?  

Artful Dodger: That sounds like a loaded question. But I do find it convincing, after impartial & diligent scrutiny....so I will now incorporate it into my overall argument. lol

Artful Dodger:noy very apeeling

Bwild: I see you had a birthday happy belated :)

Bwild:  Happy belated here too.  And BTW, there's some pi for you on the GC board.  Everyone can have some pi  ;)

Now I lay my little head
As I go off into my bed
But in the morning will I dread
Reading here all that's been said?

Hope not.  It's a new day.  Start fresh. 

The Usurper: I'll have more worthless bits of wisdom tomorrow.  ;)

Artful Dodger: Now I won't be able to sleep. lol

Artful Dodger:hahahahaha nite nite :)

Bernice:

The Usurper: The Problem-Reaction-Solution model postulates that we DO have unscrupulous government actors, even in Western democracies, who would like to reduce our freedoms and, if possible, move us into a dictatorship where their needs would be met at the expense of liberty for the people.

The best method for this, however, would be through subterfuge...i.e., get the people to choose less freedom in exchange for more security. This is where Problem-Reaction-Solution comes in as an effective means.




Yes! and the culprits have names as well..... Nancy and Harry and Bam and the whole liberal collectivism movement

The Usurper: How does Katrina fit into you theory models?

Point is... it is entirely possible to have a problem that isnt created by my government as a rouse to take away my liberty...

The Usurper: I'm not familiar with the details of the Port Arthur Massacre so have no opinion whether it constitutes an example of the Problem-Reaction-Solution model.



LMAO.... come on surp... go out on a limb on this one eh? If it walks like a duck, must be a duck right? Why bother with messy details anyway???? Go ahead and say it, and dont forget the part where Bush masterminded it as well

Czuch: I see you're bright & bushy-tailed as ever this morning, Czuchers. :o)

Would like to chat, gotta run. Please continue & I'll come back & learn at the feet of the Master. lol

The Usurper: Well they can't have read the Bible if they say that.

In Genesis, it is very clear that we are animated with the breath of life from God, that we have a soul and spirit. It's also very clear that God created everything and as such El is in everything. It is also evident very clearly that this is a wise creation from Proverbs.

Yeah, I know the RCC in it's early years messed up by formalising the Bible, not so much in the formalising, but in the destruction of scriptures not included from the various churches around. King James then made matters worse.

Though they didn't do a complete job. Some old scriptures have been found and some records and works by various Christian thinkers still exist. Unfortunately alot was destroyed in order to maintain control.

But not all. eheheheheheheh

Tuesday: that was deep....think I will meditate on that one tonight,LMAO!!!