Czuch: I don't think you'll find many people (Democrat or Republican) disagreeing that Saddam was a bad man,or that Iraq wasn't exactly a happy place to live for most of its people.The divide kicks in when asked if it was worth the sacrifice.

Artful Dodger: I don't know,when I watch hilites of a football game where a team was trounced say, 45-10,I'd be more skeptical if the reporter focused on the great field goal kicked by the losing team

Czuch: What's GW's popularity rating in Iraq? and if it's low,how many Iraq housholds are hooked up to American cable?

Czuch: Maybe you're right,leave the tv,radio board to discussions of Laverne and Shirley

Czuch: True,but many of these posts should be on the media board

Czuch: I supported Hillary,but being Canadian I can't vote in the USA

Artful Dodger: We are in full agreement on that

Czuch: I'm a fiscal conservative,social democrat,I might even lean Republican if they acted conservative,but that ship has sailed

Czuch: I'll be honest with you.The premis of your question is a lousy start point for any discussion I'd want to join.But good luck with your tossing of red meat

Czuch: I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that Hannity doesn't appeal or speak for your average Republican anymore than Olbermann speaks for your average Democrat.They both appeal to the "frothing at the mouth' factions, in my opinion

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who was cited in a criminal complaint against Rod Blagojevich, went to the U.S. Attorney's office about alleged wrongdoers, including the Illinois governor, a Jackson spokesman said Tuesday.

Jesse Jackson Jr. reported in 2006 what he believed was a shakedown by the Illinois governor.

Jackson rejected being labeled with the term "informant" in a message to CNN contributor Roland Martin.

[...] In addition, two sources close to Jackson told CNN that, in 2002, Blagojevich -- then running for governor of Illinois -- solicited a $25,000 campaign donation from Jackson, which he did not get.

At the time, Jackson's wife, Sandi, was a candidate for the job of director of the state's Lottery Commission, a post she did not win, the sources said.

After Blagojevich took office, in early 2003, he told Jackson something to the effect of, "You see what $25,000 would have done?" the sources said.

In 2006, Jackson reported the incident, which he believed to have been an attempt at a shakedown, the sources said.

Czuch: And your thoughts on his evil counter balance twin Hannity?

(V): I suppose,talk radio(for instance) is dominated by conservative views in the states,it is what it is.I don't see the point of debating fact,but carry on

You can actually enjoy watching both left and right leaning programs regardless of ones personal views.I'm a liberal,but I can't stand Olbermann,I'm sure there are Republicans who feel the same about Hannity,who cares

Artful Dodger: Isn't this a media conversation?

Not that it matters,but I don't see a resolution in sight on this topic anyway,both sides of the discussion are far too dug in

(V): I agree,I don't see the point of those who argue Fox doesn't lean strongly to the right,it's not that big a deal.For some reason it drives those who work for or watch Fox nuts.It's just a given in my opinion,just like MSNBC leaning far left,who cares

Artful Dodger: Facts? how do you prove a comic is funny, statistically?
I'm pretty comfortable sticking my neck out on this one

Artful Dodger: In all seriousness, who other than Fox employees and likeminded viewers aren't aware of the bias? I mean come on.I don't care about their bias,what I find silly is their constant denials while keeping a straight face
MSNBC is much the same,but I doubt their viewers would try and state otherwise,they just sit back and enjoy

Artful Dodger: What press are you speaking of? or media in general.The press is played by both parties much like a coach works the refs.Historically both parties have had the press in their pockets at one time or another,even GW had his moments in the sun.When I read "Obama's relationship to Blagojevich is important to know' it reminds me of all the others who's name was placed at the top of that quote in relation to Obama this past election.Rezco,Wright,Ayers,it never ends.The investigation into Blagojevich is underway,if Obama has done anything wrong we'll find out.I suppose if a politician went to a concert not knowing that a former axe murderer was also at the show we'd be hearing "blankity blank's relationship to Dave the axe murderer is important to know" Can you imagine how this "guilt by being in the same time zone" mentality is effecting any politician who aspires for office these days?

they probably won't enter a burger king without doing background checks on everyone in line

Czuch: sorry bud,not taking the bait.I've retired from these types of discussions,they go nowhere

I'f you're ever in my town we can chew the fat over a bottle of wine,I'll buy

Czuch: I'm not interested in either word games,or silly messege board battles where the initial post becomes twisted beyond recognition.I said my piece,carry on

Czuch: The issues you mentioned are typical politics,both sides play that game.The "fear" I mentioned isn't in the same league

Artful Dodger: You think they've been easy on Blagojevich? It hasn't seemed that way,and I don't see him getting any support from either party.Craig seemed to have no problems completing his term after he had said he was resigning.

Artful Dodger: Fox ran that on Huckabee?

They must be hiring liberal writers,they're never usually that funny

anastasia: I think Democrats were very restrained,too a fault.A President should be given a degree of respect,but the rest is earned

Artful Dodger: He leveraged that blank check to accomplish his agenda,fear is a very valuable tool

as are a pair of Nike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8GOrc0-Ygg

Artful Dodger: re:" If the Republicans do to Obama what the Democrats did to Bush, then the Republicans are a lower life form than slime"

He had the country in the palm of his hand after 9/11,.....he was given a blank check and proved himself untrustworthy.Obama has yet to take office,if he performs like Bush,he should recieve the same treatment.

anastasia: Billy Mays seems to think we're all deaf.Vince takes it to a whole other level of consciousness

coan.net: You might as well just put the Sham Wow guy in office.I don't think my cynicism can get any lower.

coan.net: He's in alot of trouble,did you not hear of his arrest today?

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/09/blagojevich.affidavit/?iref=mpstoryview

He's been a bad bad boy,and I'm not speaking of the use of aerosol deodorant.

anastasia: Strategically the Republicans may be wise to sit this one out.Obama may point the economy in the right direction,but the benefits aren't sometimes felt for a number of years.Obama may end up doing the heavy lifting,but the Republicans may reap the rewards.

Czuch: Repairing the infrastructure is a wise move in this place in time.It's not going to solve the financial mess,but it's a logical start point towards the big picture.