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27. August 2005, 15:28:42
Bry 
Modified by Bry (27. August 2005, 15:29:24)
Why dont we take the General Chat about the subject to the....... General Chat Board.... ?


27. August 2005, 15:37:08
ClayNashvilleTN 
Subject: Re:
Rose: It hurts to see someone of Ed's Intelligence be soooooooo ignorant of other peoples feelings. He dumb founds me. I have tried to explain that to him in PM's when I have tangled with him, and it is the TRUTH.

If he would just try to convert his arrogance into tact, he could and would have accomplish far greater things than what he has. He has failed to reach his full potential which could be extraordinary beyond description, "if ' he would just listen and LEARN.

I hope he does. I know he can, surely he will..

27. August 2005, 15:37:55
ClayNashvilleTN 
Subject: Re:
Bry:OOPS sorry, I am a slow typer. LOL

27. August 2005, 15:39:30
Bry 
Subject: Re:
ClayNashvilleTn: it's ok - it's just that people are posting on the subject there too - may as well be on one board than over 2 boards...

27. August 2005, 18:20:52
Grim Reaper 
Modified by Grim Reaper (27. August 2005, 18:21:46)
First of all, if half of you had a sense of humor, you would have read some of my posts and realized my "Archmoderator" posts were a joke, with a hidden message in some of them.

Read one of my posts on General Chat recently, where I was rather cryptic. Then read the first letter of every sentence, and you have the message that is hidden

My second Archmoderator post contained this nugget to those who paid attention:

"He's a programmer, part yogi and part recluse, impressively liberated from our oppulent life style"

or...

Happy April Fools

27. August 2005, 19:09:05
SMIRF Engine 
Subject: Re: Differences between CRC and GC
Modified by SMIRF Engine (27. August 2005, 19:34:16)
Fencer:

... and replaced by Capablanca Random Chess which is very similar to the Gothic ...

Let me place a correction here: there are more differences between CRC and GC than between Bird's and Ed Trice's starting array.

The main difference is the fact that each starting array will be selected randomly just before a game will be started (very similar to Chess960 / Fischer Random Chess).

A second difference is the intended target group. CRC originally has been created to establish a testing field for 10x8 chess programs avoiding huge opening libraries. GC already has big opening knowledge in some applications.

Thus CRC might fit better to the needs of creative players (from the very beginning) compared to more reproducing, opening book experienced players.

Regards, Reinhard.

27. August 2005, 19:40:46
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Differences between CRC and GC
Sumerian: I meant it's very similar for an ordinary Chess player who doesn't go to a deep analysis. The same board, the same set of pieces, almost the same start position.

27. August 2005, 19:48:20
ClayNashvilleTN 
Subject: Re: Differences between CRC and GC
Fencer: Dang, I may not belong in this conversation because it vacillates back and forth so much, but Fencer, in 30 seconds I can rearrange the starting pieces and call it a variant but I just don't get the point? That's exactly why I do not care for them.

27. August 2005, 22:16:39
RagaMuffin 
sorry rose

28. August 2005, 00:02:29
Pioneer54 
Subject: Re: GC, CM1000 and CRC
Grim Reaper:

Grand Chess is too unlike contemporary chess.

You wrote this as if to suggest that it is some kind of drawback. Why should grandchess, or any variant for that matter, be more like chess? Furthermore, your point cannot survive scrutiny; grandchess is like chess in some ways, different in others. There are opening, middlegame, and (sometimes) endgame phases, as in chess, but obviously the play is more complex, and more tactical, due to the larger board and extra pieces.

The setup lacks symmetry,

HUH??? Each side's position is a mirror of the other, as in chess and many variants (including your beloved gothic), so you are just plain wrong there; besides, this point is meaningless.

there is no castling, and the starting position is mildly chaotic.

Yes, castling is forbidden. As the inventor himself says, "It is a battle. Why should the King be safe?"

The BrainKing community does not represent our target market, as we target consumers. We sold perhaps a couple dozen Gothic Chess sets on here, but over 63,000 worldwide since December 2000 (thanks mostly to large drop-ship orders to QVC and, oddly, correctional facilities in the United States.)

Then, why are you so upset?! Most of us would be elated with just a small portion of your success.

Each variant has their own lovers and haters, as was before Gothic, and will be after Gothic.
If you don't like it, don't play it, simple enough.


Finally, we agree!!!!!!
;))

Just don't try to tell me it is not popular. I walked away from a $75/hour consulting job in the year 2000 because I was making more with Gothic Chess on the side.

I'd never tell you it is not popular, and I never said nor suggested that; I just said it won't be much missed here. If you had read my previous post carefully, you would have observed that it read, in part:
although I recognize that gothicchess has a large following

Come to Bartell Hall in Kansas City next August. Watch over 4,000 high school kids play for the prize of having free college tuition for one year. The entrance fee is only $125.

Tell them how much you like Grand Chess, how much you dislike Gothic, and pay close attention to their reaction.


Sorry, can't make it, too far out of my way! Besides, if I don't even like playing gothic for free, why on earth do you think I'd want to PAY for it? .... So, tell me: Is the attraction the game concept or the prize money offered?

28. August 2005, 00:04:49
Bry 
Who Cares? It's not like we are losing Backgammon.....

28. August 2005, 00:17:36
Artful Dodger 
Subject: Re:
Bry: good point!!!!!!!

28. August 2005, 00:54:43
Grim Reaper 
Subject: Re: GC, CM1000 and CRC
Pioneer54:

If you want to debate me, do it in private.

But for the record, I am not upset, I am elated. By breeching the contract, I will be entitled to sooo many goodies

28. August 2005, 01:01:49
Bry 
Subject: Re: GC, CM1000 and CRC
Grim Reaper: Who cares? No one. Cut your losses and dont make a fool of yourself.

28. August 2005, 01:08:50
Artful Dodger 
Subject: Re: GC, CM1000 and CRC
Grim Reaper: I doubt that Ed. But you're simply showing us all that having Gothic chess here isn't worth having to deal with this side of you. I've seen it ever since the Expose Dano days through the KM days and on and on. It's always something.

28. August 2005, 01:10:28
Grim Reaper 
Subject: Re: GC, CM1000 and CRC
Bry:

28. August 2005, 06:45:50
WizardII 
Subject: Re: GC, CM1000 and CRC
Grim Reaper:

By so many goodies do you mean you going to sue?

28. August 2005, 16:21:27
Grim Reaper 
I am playing in a BrainKing tournament to win a free Rook membership for one year. The tournament is here:

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?tri=6089#3

I am about to win game #2 of the 3 wins match. I must prepare for game #3 as my opponent will be fighting hard. I have already dedicated hundreds of hours of my time to this match, so I cannot be distracted by questions such as those posed by Wizard II below.

28. August 2005, 16:34:02
ScarletRose 
Subject: Okay.. everybody...
SSSsshshhhhhHsHHhhhhhhh *puts index finger up to lips as to show them locking shut.. then tapers hands down and gives a horizontal "CUT" like hand sign*..

28. August 2005, 19:05:48
harley 

28. August 2005, 19:18:37
bwildman 
I wonder.....if someone manages to get themselves removed from this site....and was involved in a prize tourny.....knowing full well that if they win, they'll never be able to use it......wouldnt the sportsman/gentleman just resign?

28. August 2005, 19:24:20
NOT a floosie 
I'm clearing out a few posts here so we can try and stay on topic.....Brainking, it's structure, features, and future.


28. August 2005, 20:27:26
Fencer 
Subject: I want 300!
I've seen 283 online users a while ago. Not bad for a Sunday.

28. August 2005, 20:30:58
bwildman 
Subject: Re: I want 300!
Fencer: guess I could draw up a few more id's!!!

28. August 2005, 20:48:05
Artful Dodger 
Subject: Re:
NOT a floosie: Then you missed a few dear. ;)

28. August 2005, 22:56:48
Chimera 
Subject: Re: I want 300!
Fencer:

28. August 2005, 23:09:59
Chessmaster1000 
Subject: I'll be damn......!
This is for Fencer only as i suppose he is the only one who can see the game......
In this game -+click here+-, i played the 12-move before 4-5 hours. But in my surprise when i opened the game again now, i had to play again the 12-move.

But this is not the only bizarre thing......This game it's a Dark Chess game. And when i played my 12-move the first time, i saw that my opponent didn't have any piece at c3 and b4 squares......But now i have played it again i see he has a Knight on c3!!!!!!!
What the hell is going on.........?!?!?!?!

Any suggestions.........?

PS: I'm not 99.999999999% sure that all the aforementioned happened, i'm 100% sure!

29. August 2005, 09:03:28
Fencer 
Subject: Re: I'll be damn......!
Chessmaster1000: If your browser shows a cached version of the game page instead on the fresh one from the server, it can be the cause of the problem [because some browsers do it under some strange circumstances, like IE on Windows, for example]. Clear its cache.

29. August 2005, 13:27:15
Beren the 32nd 
Subject: guidelines?
Can anyone point me in the direction of any guidelines concerning the use of computers, books, websites etc.. to aid playing games here?

29. August 2005, 13:28:30
furbster 
Subject: Re: guidelines?
Beren the 32nd: Game Guidelines:

NO CHEATING. This includes using outside programs to help play and losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings. Your account may be banned, and ratings will be removed.

29. August 2005, 13:50:18
playBunny 
Subject: Re: External help - Guidelines?
Beren the 32nd: It depends on what you mean by "aid". If you mean to help you plan and play your moves then you should only do it with the express permission of your opponent (most will probably say no but a really strong player may not mind). If you mean using a program to explore a game that you've finished playing then there can be no reasonable objection. If you want to analyse moves during a game (but after you play each move, of course) then you must ask yourself whether it helps further your strategy. In Chess (ie. your game area) I would suggest that it does.

If you mean can you find a book or website and study up on an interesting stratagem then again it's a question of conscience: Is it materially helping you in a current game and could mean a win or draw that you would otherwise not have had? Then perhaps it's gaining an unfair advantage. I say "perhaps" because there will be times when you gain some knowledge "inadvertantly" (eg. while learning about a different idea) and you shouldn't be having agonies over it being unfair. There are other reasons for that "perhaps" but I can't express them properly at the moment. I'm for bed!

Have fun!
:-)


Others may disagree. ;-)

29. August 2005, 19:00:26
WellyWales 
Subject: Brain points
If you are a Brian Knight and you refer somebody to join BK and they take out a Brain Rook, how many brain points do you get?

29. August 2005, 19:05:59
bwildman 
Subject: Re: Brain points
wellywales: it looks like 100....for one year rook

29. August 2005, 20:16:29
BuilderQ 
Subject: Re: Brain points
My interpretation of the Brains page is that you have to be a Rook to get anything for referring a new Rook. So tell your friends to choose Knight instead. :)

29. August 2005, 20:19:50
Artful Dodger 
Subject: My main page say I have "0 Brains"
So can I assume that is an explanation as to why I lose some of my games? ;)

29. August 2005, 20:21:07
Rose 
Subject: Re: Brain points
BuilderQ: each paying user of BrainKing.com (i.e. everybody with Brain Knight or higher level) can join our referral program. He/she earns a given amount of Brains for each new paying user that refers to him/her on the How to pay page. This is the list of all possibilities:

* Brain Knight - earns 25 Brains for new six-months Brain Knight or 50 Brains for one-year Brain Knight.
* Brain Rook/Maharajah - earns 25 Brains for new six-months Brain Knight, 50 Brains for one-year Brain Knight or six-months Brain Rook, 100 Brains for one-year Brain Rook, 2000 Brains for six-months Brain Maharajah and 5000 Brains for one-year Brain Maharajah.

29. August 2005, 20:23:05
BuilderQ 
Subject: Re: Brain points
Rose: Exactly, no mention of a Knight earning anything for a new Rook.

29. August 2005, 21:28:16
WellyWales 
Subject: Re: Brain points
Rose: OK Rose, what is the answer to my Question? if it is zero, is that fair?

29. August 2005, 21:30:27
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Brain points
wellywales: Yes. It's the rule.

29. August 2005, 21:34:55
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Brain points
Fencer: If a knight is able to get someone to buy a rook membership, I would think it would be good to at least give them some brains. Maybe 75% of what a rook would get would be good.

Otherwise a Knight might try harder to get the person to only get a knight membership themself - which of course a rook would be beter for the site.

29. August 2005, 21:42:20
Fencer 
Subject: 303 online users a while ago
Fine, I want 400 tomorrow.

29. August 2005, 21:43:40
bwildman 
Subject: Re: Brain points
Fencer: since Knights"qualify for the referral program" why wouldnt they recieve brain points?

29. August 2005, 21:46:17
Maxxina 
If some knight will get you maharadza , he will receive nothing as with rook ?

29. August 2005, 21:49:16
playBunny 
Subject: Re: Brain points
bwildman: I agree. The Brains are a rewards system intended to create more accounts. It undermines its own purpose if it is unrewarding.

29. August 2005, 21:52:35
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Brain points
playBunny: No, it doesn't. The new system will reveal much more options.

29. August 2005, 21:53:28
Maxxina 
ok , now it brings a question , when new system will be activated . days - weeks , months ?

29. August 2005, 21:57:47
bwildman 
Subject: Re: Brain points
playBunny: I've always been a Rook,so never gave it much thought. But the wording in the "brains" discription,is a little unclear.

29. August 2005, 21:58:33
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Maxxina: You don't really expect an exact answer, do you?

29. August 2005, 21:59:03
Maxxina 
Fencer : Yes , i do !

29. August 2005, 22:00:24
bwildman 
Subject: Re: Brain points
Fencer: I am soooo slooooo

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