emmett: I agree with alot of what you have just said, along with alot of what others have said on the subject.....I don't think your post should be deleted either!

I wish multi nics were an impossiblility!! I hate to see people abusing peoples emotions, even on a game site!

Walter Montego: well yes, for paying members because only paying members can have or be in fellowships. It's a priviledge for paying members. But anyone who is a paying member can create their own fellowship for anything they want. There have been many made for moderating issues. In fact, Kipling may still have one. I'm not sure. But you can create a fellowship for anything you want.

Walter Montego: Invite them! I'd join, if I'd be welcome. I'm sure many others would too.

Tuesday: It is an idea, but what's the point? Just how am I going to get those that I want to talk to to join?

baddessi: You mean paying members, right? Perhaps you and Harley can use your pull with the Big Boss and get me in. It obviously isn't without precedent having a non-moderator as a member. Even if let in, it will only be this group and not the whole of the membership. For those of us that like to post and have issues with how the moderation system is set up on this site there's nowhere to air our thoughts on it to a general audience of all of us.

I haven't had a look through fellowships in a long time.

I'm sorry you feel that way, Walter. Maybe Tuesday has the answer, start your own fellowship.

harley: actually, I think there used to be a couple of them.(fellowships about Mods open to all members)...
Clay had one, Thad had one and so did Taz. If I'm not mistaken, those are all gone now.

harley: I understand that fellowships can have whatever members they want. Some fellowships are organized for other reasons. What it amounts to is I have no place to post to a general audience, nor do I have access to the one group of people that might want to hear me out or sound some of their own ideas off me and others.

Actually, now I think on it some more, Medic's isn't the only fellowship dedicated to the issue of moderating. Maybe if you ask on the fellowships board someone will know one thats open to all.

http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=24

Walter Montego: Fellowships can be run however the big boss wants. Some are open to all, some are very select. It depends entirely on the individual running it. I don't think this is a reflection on BrainKing itself.

emmett: I disagree with you saying the posts are meaningless or irrelevant. Perhaps you have tired of the subjects or whatever. You're entitled to your opinion of what is posted, as am I.

What's with all this favorite board stuff? Anyone can still access a board whether or not you have the link on your main page. The ones I choose to have on my main page are ones I commonly read or post to. Who cares if you remove a board from your main page. Is this supposed to enlighten us in some way?

harley: No, I meant the Mod Squad. I have no intention of joining some fellowship about Bumble. I don't really want to join the Mod squad either, but it was you a few weeks ago that suggested I do join it to discuss ways to improve the moderation system on this site. I also posted that I thought the moderation system was something that should be discussed in a public forum so that Pawn members could have imput too. Now we're hiding behind some arbitrary rule of not letting non-moderators into the fellowship. It proves how closed the fellowships are, even to paying members such as myself. As to why they won't let me in, I question the reason of not letting me join because I'm not moderator. Bumble isn't a moderator and yet he's in that fellowship. I was planning on posting about moderation issues. Seeing how anybody can be a moderator why should it matter if someone is a moderator to join this fellowship? I can only conclude the moderators are happy with the status quo. As my link complained, they really don't care. You have seen and read my posts about moderation. I'm sure some of the other moderators have to.

harley: well, as long as there's no flaming, biting or kicking!

Its not a free for all in there, more like a place to express your opinion.

Walter Montego: I think we've got our wires crossed... or more likely I got something wrong!
I advised you to join Medics moderator fellowship for discussion on moderating, how its done etc. But thats for moderators only.
Eriisas fellowship is for discussion about Bumble, and as far as I know anyone is welcome.

harley: So that's it? I'm not a moderator? Then you agree that I'm right. It's a fellowship. I've seen changes made to the guidelines of discussion boards. Why not change that one or make an exception? I'm willing to bet that she didn't read the posts and you didn't mention it to her. Or if you both did, you decided to just stick with your guidelines rather have a debate in the fellowship. And why is Bumble in this fellowship? What board does he moderate?

Walter Montego: I don't think it will happen on a public board. Try Eriisas fellowship.

Fencer: The subject might be off topic on this board, but where may it be talked about in a public forum? The General Chat discussion board seems like an ideal place, but there's different moderators there and they delete all the posts about the subject. I'd like to talk about on some discussion board, but I guess that's not happening. Can you just say the subject is to never be discussed on your site in a public forum ever again? Or could you direct those of us that want to talk about it to a place we can for everyone on the site and the moderators are told not to take sides and only censor swear words and racial epitats?

Stevie: So be it.

harley: hhehehe go one, hide Filip.. I dare yer ner ner

harley: You don't need to. I will start to ban people myself very soon. Hiding is not that effective.

Sorry Czuch, I've asked for this subject to be dropped. I don't want to start hiding people or deleting posts but this is the end.

Walter, I'm sorry, Medics fellowships is just for mods. I honestly didn't realise you weren't a mod.

Czuch Chuckers: Nonsense and no evidence. And it's definitely not affecting everyone (or maybe I don't understand this kind of American humour).

Fencer: I know you are busy, but please try to keep up! ;)~

The issue is a global moderator who did public interviews and who was responsible for moderating all public boards and who was responsible for allowing others to moderate public boards was announced to be dead, yet there is anecdotal evidence that he is alive, and he cheated by using multi niks, and he continues to do so today.


Harley: I dont think it is never ending and I do think that there are real answers...

Walter Montego: Fencer is here and doing a job that really matters, which cannot be said about the recent "discussion" on this board.
BrainKing has nothing to do with Yahoo groups or similar things and I am already too tired to read everything what was posted here. I will not tolerate any more flamewars and offtopics here. This is a message to everyone.

harley: What has being a moderator got to do with joining a fellowship? If that's the problem and an exception can't be made in my case, then I certainly want no part of that fellowship.

I've been to that yahoo group and do check it on occasion. It's activity level has slowed considerably in the last few weeks. Some people have posted about changing their opinion of Bumble and a few are still waiting for something definitive, but it's more or less what was deleted from this site in the early going of the whole contraversy.

As for yours and other moderator's resistance to the affair and the posting of it on this site, I have yet to see what it is that is the problem. I'm not going to waste my time posting about it on this site until I have guarantees that my posts won't be deleted. Time does heal wounds and the sweeping it under the carpet is working. Those that critized me for doubting haven't apologized or brought up any proof of anything. Czuch is hitting his head on the wall, regardless of the merits of his questions.

And where's Fencer in all of this? Why have so many of the moderators taken the view that it should not be talked about? I find it hard to believe that there's unanimity amongst such a supposedly diverse group of individuals.
Why don't you make yourself a moderator of the General Chat board. You have my support.

BBW says in GC that Fencer has the answers. If this "issue" is so not appropriate why doesnt Fencer tell us the answers and end all this discussion?

whatdidyousay:

This people was censored/removed from that group, at least until one month ago:

Rod
Playbunny
Radiant
Foxy
Whatdidyousay
Volant
André

Czuch Chuckers: I just want things kept under control. After your post, 50 appeared within minutes, many irate or emotional. Surely you can see its a never-ending subject with no real answer.

I dont understand who is being protected here and why? A handfull of multi niks? To keep other topics from being buried?

You want this swept under the rug, my advice is to allow it to run its course, it will make it disappear a lot faster than censorship will! Or maybe you dont want Pedro to remove the board from his favorites list????? That must be it! LMBO!

Czuch Chuckers: "involves and effects everyone here on brainking"

It doesn't involve and effect me at all, Chuck. Plus I'm sure that if you asked more than half of the 25302 BK users, they would tell you that they've never heard of anyone named bumble.

harley: Yes. Because everybody knows that Yahoo group doesn't engage in censorship welcomes new ideas unless they disagree with them. lol

I, for one among others, was removed because I didn't share in their worldview. Anyone here is welcome to go to the Yahoo group as long as you are prepared to agree with them.

Czuch Chuckers: What issue?

harley: So the time and place to discuss an issue that involves and effects everyone here on brainking, is now and on another website?

Walter Montego: I'm sorry Walter, I really thought you were a moderator, my mistake.

It isn't a case of brushing things under the carpet, you'll find at the yahoo group I'm very interested in what people say about this subject. But here it just isn't appropriate to speculate about one person/family/whatever. Time and a place, thats all.

harley: Here, I'll hold this end of the carpet up and you bring the broom over. And whatever happened to this link, Harley? I've given up waiting for a reply, but I'm still curious. http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=1&ngi=501495


Czuch: General Chat, sure Czuch. It won't last long there. Good luck. Let me tomorrow if there's anything left of it.

Pedro Martínez: The most welcome message I could get in reply. Thank you Pedro.

volant: Thank you too.

رضا: ﺒﻭﺭﻭﺰ ﻤﻭﺒﺍﺭﺍﮎ, ﺭﺿﺎ

رضا: HAPPY NEW YEAR

Your right who ever said this is turning into a soap opera.

harley: General chat seems to be a good place to continue this discussion, since pawns can read there too, and since I have endured thousands of topics there that i dont personally like!

or Pedro and opthers who do not want to participate, I suggest you take gen chat off your list now, not that you will miss much as reading that board can be really aweful to endure most of the time anyway!

Sorry to interupt the HOT conversation, but:

HAPPY NEW YEAR. WE ARE NOW IN YEAR 1385.

I wish all of you the best of luck and a year full of joy.

srnity: Try the yahoo group. pawns are welcome there. I'm sorry you can't get into fellowships here, I'm sure you'd like them.
Yes, boards do get cleaned up quite a lot when subjects go way off topic mainly because people coming online and reading it feel the need to answer, justifying it by saying they weren't online at the time.

harley: Thanks harley - I was already thinking of removing this board from my favorite ones.

Czuch Chuckers: Gotta say it - Truth shall set you free and all that - Sitting here reading all of this, wondering what truth lies in fiction, and waiting, just waiting, for every post to just magically disappear from view - for a lowly pawn anyway - I've come to notice that "public" boards get wiped SQUEAKY clean REAL fast round these parts..... :)

ScarletRose: You and the person who wrote you the PM don't listen. I have NEVER said they/he/she didn't hurt anyone. I recommend to get a brain!

You would "expect my hesitancy on this issue since I use a black man to represent who I am"? Let me respond: WHAT???

ScarletRose: Pedro Martinez is Hispanic!

Sorry! Off topic :)~

Enough.

I understand people are curious and want to discuss this issue, but there is a yahoo group and a fellowship (I think) open to anyone who wishes to discuss it.

This is too emotional a subject to fill pages and pages on this board. If there was one straight easy answer it would be ok, but there isn't and probably never will be. So please, if you want to discuss it, go to the yahoo group or the fellowship. Any more posts will have to be deleted because they are off topic.