alexlee: no, it's not the business of everyone on the site, just as your personal lives are not all of our business.

BIG BAD WOLF: so many peeps were played on BBW from this site.. are you saying it is allowed?? and why should we go private.. Fencer has the ability to see the IP numbers why did he allow it? And if he didn't want stuff like that to happen.. well.. it probably is still happening here.. just different nics now.. it should be a concern.. those who got burned and feel the site ignores it.. will eventually leave.. and their word of mouth can effect this site.. that's common sense..

Tuesday: Why should they have to prove something that isn't true?
There's no proof there are multinics.
Fencer takes care of that. Don't you think that if it were true, something would have been done about it?
That right there is proof enough.

baddessi: are you in the yahoo group at all?? Probably not.. since you are set this way.. I recommend joining..

ScarletRose: First you need to learn the difference between a rumor and a fact. So far it is a rumor that all these people are the same person. Fencer can see this information, and I'm sure he does keep track - and would not allow players on this site to be taken advantage of by people cheating. It looks like you are being swept up with rumors, and just because there are not any facts to counter these rumors does not make them true.

Tuesday: people are well liked for a reason.

Scarlet: word of mouth of a bunch of people gossiping won't affect a site in which people come to play games. It can cause people to want to leave tho.

Tuesday: I just do.

I've had it. If you all insist on keeping the witch hunt going, have at it. You're going to believe what you want to believe. Have fun. I'm done.

BIG BAD WOLF: you would be surprised by some word of mouth at the group.. who has been taken advantage of and who has talked about it.. there are several others over there wanting to spill the beans as well but they hesitate due to peeps such as yourself who wish not to have open minds..

It is a shame that someone can get away with making a whole site mourn for them.. and spend all their free time searching for phrases to use at a funeral.. all in a good natured way.. to be drug into their lies.. (for whatever reason is beyond me)..

It's a shame that you were led to believe they were all something they are not..

Tuesday: Wasn't "hushed", was pointed to other places so it does not take up a ton of room on the public board like all this is doing right now. Czuch has done what he wanted, and has caused more of a ruckas on this board.

Public mobs are not a good thing, no matter if you are part of the mob, the one being mobbed, or just watching the mob from the sideline.

BIG BAD WOLF: LOL, we are both doing the same thing then... I am only responding to a public post that announced Bumble is dead. That same post asked that we not ask any questions right away, when questions were brought up, they were deleted. Now it has been over amonth, and I think it has been plenty of time to hold off on any questions.

Is bumble really dead? How did he die? How about an obituary, or a funeral, or where to send condolences etc? These are all normal questions that we were asked to not ask for a period of time, that time has lapsed.

I will never understand why is this such a big story. Did they/she/he do some harm to BrainKing? I don't think so. They/she/he actually helped the site a lot. Did they/she/he hurt anyone playing here? No matter what the answer to this question is, I don't see one valid reason why should it be discussed on this board. If the answer is no, then what's the problem? If the answer is yes, then these people should take care of it privately (since it's only a matter of these two parties) and not "bother" other people who have nothing in common with it.

ScarletRose: "It's a shame that you were led to believe they were all something they are not.."

I've never said I do or do not believe what has been said, what I have said is that it is really no one's business - who am I to demand information about someone's private life? This is an on-line game site, on-line being the key word - if someone does not want to give too much personal inforamatin about themsleves, then that is their right - to hound them to give personal information about themselves is border-line stalking.

Pedro Martínez: I agree with you Pedro...he/she/they have played a game with all of us, some people still refuse to believe it tho. But..i think its ok to talk about it to prevent that it happens again. I know a lot of people who gave him/her/them their mailadress (snailmail) so he/she/they could send a musiccasset, of course its no fun for those people to not know who they gave their adresses to.

Pedro Martínez: you are out numbered Pedro.. sorry..

ScarletRose: Does the fact (is that really a fact?) that I'm outnumbered necessarily mean that I'm not right?

Pedro Martínez We maybe get all the answers April 1st :)

BIG BAD WOLF: people have a choice of game sites similar to this one to use. Do people really want to play on one that has a scammer multi nik as a global moderator in charge of their posts and who other moderators are? I mean, look how many people related to Bumble are current moderators. What if they are all really the same person? Is that what we want for this site, a group of multi niks running the discussion boards? Maybe you are a multi nik as well? I have had Bumble moderate me and tell me he was saving the site from my post, now find out he was just a scammer? Is this the type of person we want to trust to help out here? We are told that Bumble is a private person, but he sure didnt prove that by his life on here, did he If I really wanted privacy, I could just play my games and chat a bit and everything would be fine. Nobody forced him to become a global moderator, nobody forced him to scam eveyone with a fake personal interview, did we? Is that the life of a person who wants privacy???? The answer to these questions surley is of public interest and concern to all here on Brainking!

Pedro Martínez: "And pedro is wrong...he did hurt people, he made how many people cry when he "died" It was ok to have board tied up with flowers for two days but not now to find out the truth?"

that is what came to me privately.. I will respect the privacy but that says exactly what is needed to..

I do realize though that I would expect your hmmm hesitancy on this issue.. especially since you use a black man to represent who you are..

Andersp: LMBO!!! He died on Valentines day, so April one would be a great time for answers!

BBW, you didnt want to clutter the general chat board??? Thats another good joke!

Enough.

I understand people are curious and want to discuss this issue, but there is a yahoo group and a fellowship (I think) open to anyone who wishes to discuss it.

This is too emotional a subject to fill pages and pages on this board. If there was one straight easy answer it would be ok, but there isn't and probably never will be. So please, if you want to discuss it, go to the yahoo group or the fellowship. Any more posts will have to be deleted because they are off topic.

ScarletRose: Pedro Martinez is Hispanic!

Sorry! Off topic :)~

ScarletRose: You and the person who wrote you the PM don't listen. I have NEVER said they/he/she didn't hurt anyone. I recommend to get a brain!

You would "expect my hesitancy on this issue since I use a black man to represent who I am"? Let me respond: WHAT???

Czuch Chuckers: Gotta say it - Truth shall set you free and all that - Sitting here reading all of this, wondering what truth lies in fiction, and waiting, just waiting, for every post to just magically disappear from view - for a lowly pawn anyway - I've come to notice that "public" boards get wiped SQUEAKY clean REAL fast round these parts..... :)

harley: Thanks harley - I was already thinking of removing this board from my favorite ones.

srnity: Try the yahoo group. pawns are welcome there. I'm sorry you can't get into fellowships here, I'm sure you'd like them.
Yes, boards do get cleaned up quite a lot when subjects go way off topic mainly because people coming online and reading it feel the need to answer, justifying it by saying they weren't online at the time.

Sorry to interupt the HOT conversation, but:

HAPPY NEW YEAR. WE ARE NOW IN YEAR 1385.

I wish all of you the best of luck and a year full of joy.

harley: General chat seems to be a good place to continue this discussion, since pawns can read there too, and since I have endured thousands of topics there that i dont personally like!

or Pedro and opthers who do not want to participate, I suggest you take gen chat off your list now, not that you will miss much as reading that board can be really aweful to endure most of the time anyway!

Your right who ever said this is turning into a soap opera.

رضا: HAPPY NEW YEAR

رضا: ﺒﻭﺭﻭﺰ ﻤﻭﺒﺍﺭﺍﮎ, ﺭﺿﺎ

Pedro Martínez: The most welcome message I could get in reply. Thank you Pedro.

volant: Thank you too.

harley: Here, I'll hold this end of the carpet up and you bring the broom over. And whatever happened to this link, Harley? I've given up waiting for a reply, but I'm still curious. http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=1&ngi=501495


Czuch: General Chat, sure Czuch. It won't last long there. Good luck. Let me tomorrow if there's anything left of it.

Walter Montego: I'm sorry Walter, I really thought you were a moderator, my mistake.

It isn't a case of brushing things under the carpet, you'll find at the yahoo group I'm very interested in what people say about this subject. But here it just isn't appropriate to speculate about one person/family/whatever. Time and a place, thats all.

harley: So the time and place to discuss an issue that involves and effects everyone here on brainking, is now and on another website?

Czuch Chuckers: What issue?

harley: Yes. Because everybody knows that Yahoo group doesn't engage in censorship welcomes new ideas unless they disagree with them. lol

I, for one among others, was removed because I didn't share in their worldview. Anyone here is welcome to go to the Yahoo group as long as you are prepared to agree with them.

Czuch Chuckers: "involves and effects everyone here on brainking"

It doesn't involve and effect me at all, Chuck. Plus I'm sure that if you asked more than half of the 25302 BK users, they would tell you that they've never heard of anyone named bumble.

I dont understand who is being protected here and why? A handfull of multi niks? To keep other topics from being buried?

You want this swept under the rug, my advice is to allow it to run its course, it will make it disappear a lot faster than censorship will! Or maybe you dont want Pedro to remove the board from his favorites list????? That must be it! LMBO!

Czuch Chuckers: I just want things kept under control. After your post, 50 appeared within minutes, many irate or emotional. Surely you can see its a never-ending subject with no real answer.

whatdidyousay:

This people was censored/removed from that group, at least until one month ago:

Rod
Playbunny
Radiant
Foxy
Whatdidyousay
Volant
André

BBW says in GC that Fencer has the answers. If this "issue" is so not appropriate why doesnt Fencer tell us the answers and end all this discussion?

harley: What has being a moderator got to do with joining a fellowship? If that's the problem and an exception can't be made in my case, then I certainly want no part of that fellowship.

I've been to that yahoo group and do check it on occasion. It's activity level has slowed considerably in the last few weeks. Some people have posted about changing their opinion of Bumble and a few are still waiting for something definitive, but it's more or less what was deleted from this site in the early going of the whole contraversy.

As for yours and other moderator's resistance to the affair and the posting of it on this site, I have yet to see what it is that is the problem. I'm not going to waste my time posting about it on this site until I have guarantees that my posts won't be deleted. Time does heal wounds and the sweeping it under the carpet is working. Those that critized me for doubting haven't apologized or brought up any proof of anything. Czuch is hitting his head on the wall, regardless of the merits of his questions.

And where's Fencer in all of this? Why have so many of the moderators taken the view that it should not be talked about? I find it hard to believe that there's unanimity amongst such a supposedly diverse group of individuals.
Why don't you make yourself a moderator of the General Chat board. You have my support.

Walter Montego: Fencer is here and doing a job that really matters, which cannot be said about the recent "discussion" on this board.
BrainKing has nothing to do with Yahoo groups or similar things and I am already too tired to read everything what was posted here. I will not tolerate any more flamewars and offtopics here. This is a message to everyone.

Fencer: I know you are busy, but please try to keep up! ;)~

The issue is a global moderator who did public interviews and who was responsible for moderating all public boards and who was responsible for allowing others to moderate public boards was announced to be dead, yet there is anecdotal evidence that he is alive, and he cheated by using multi niks, and he continues to do so today.


Harley: I dont think it is never ending and I do think that there are real answers...