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3. September 2010, 10:54:02
Hrqls 
Subject: ponds & team play
the whole issue about ponds is :

is team play allowed ?

this topic has been discussed before (i think on the ponds board)
if i remember correctly the outcome was that team play was allowed, although many players didnt like it

this means that its not cheating to have someone tell you your bid for the next round .. so that he can bid 1 higher

3. September 2010, 17:18:42
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Hrqls: Rules are rules, but... this is OBVIOUSLY cheating (latu sensu), as some players as MORE CHANCES to win than others, not because of their inteligence/strategy/luck, but because of their "connections". As a game, it's absolutelly unnacceptable!

3. September 2010, 17:54:02
rod03801 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: But it's NOT the rules. Where in the rules do you read that? And it has been stated in the past that there was not going to be restrictions on "team play".

3. September 2010, 18:02:33
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801: Yes, I understand... I didn't explained myself properly. I mean that it can be acceptable according to the rules, but it's morally (in my opinion) unfair and unnacceptable, because players don't play with the same chances. Is like a "horde chess game" or "Mancala game" if 1 player always play with white. A fair game, in my opinion, should give to both players the same possibilities, and the winner should be the player who have more inteligence, strategy, luck, whatever... not the one who have more "relations" Unless it is a game of "relations", as we have some in internet. That's my point.


In other words... it can be legal, but it's still unfair!


3. September 2010, 18:20:04
rod03801 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: Yes, I DO agree completely. I wouldn't personally play that way.

I guess my point is that it isn't fair to publicly crucify someone for something that isn't TECHNICALLY cheating.

3. September 2010, 18:23:14
Bwild 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: "However, BK stays much poorer without Pedro Martinez."
I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner.
when the KM members were finally exposed for being cheaters and thieves...it took a lot to get any action from the owner, and they are right back in our midst.
IF...and I say IF...bk3 ever evolves,its my understanding there will be no more fellowships.
well..imo...if theres no fellowships, and cheating is allowed...why pay to play?

3. September 2010, 19:10:07
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Modified by Gabriel Almeida (3. September 2010, 19:13:57)
Bwild: KM story was never properly solved. I left this site for a while because of that. Purple let me (still) blocked because I asked what happened, and asked why should only KM members moderate checkers board. I was an active player than, and stopped playing it (and writting in that board) because of that. That's why I say: Brainking really "don't give a sh..." (as Fencer said) about cheating. That's what I said in PM to Martinez: we should play according to this rules. I don't like them, but I play only against who I want (who I trust). But it's wrong, in my opinion. Wrong and bad for the site. Other sites "died" because of that. Km group made the same (and still cheat) in IYT, for example. Giving up to fight this is a way to give a "slow death" to the site. I'm not criticizing, I repeat. I'm giving you (and Fencer) my opinion, in order to make (keep) brainking as a great games site, maybe the best of the world!

3. September 2010, 23:32:59
wetware 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Bwild wrote "I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime
memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the
sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members
leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner. "

Thanks.  But mostly I have myself to blame.  My love of variants got the better of my judgment.  Live and learn: in the future, support responsive individuals and organizations.

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