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27. July 2007, 15:27:53
Purple 
Subject: Payment Methods
It is stated that there are 5 options. As a webtv user I can't find one. PayPal is no good because it wont support webtv hyperlinks, same with Moneybrokers. The BK Representatives are gone, Credit Cards are no good and there is not even an addy to send cash. Fencer..why is is SO hard to give you money? LOL

27. July 2007, 17:12:29
Eriisa 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: hey, I got a solution!!! Find a friend with a PC! lol


Seriously tho, I wonder why Paypal would not have a gateway for webtv when they have a gateway for cel phones.

27. July 2007, 17:27:23
Purple 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Eriisa: I have talked to them on the phone and they keep sending me e-mail with unusuable hyper-links for confirmation.

27. July 2007, 17:33:05
goodbyebking 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: Because Brainking doesn't accept credit cards, but every other company does. That's why I gave Fencer's blog today a vote of negative one. The last time I tried to use paypal, I put in the wrong address by accident, then they made me wait five weeks before they would accept payment, just to confirm through visa that I was who I said I was.

27. July 2007, 17:35:29
Purple 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
emmett: Fencer won't take checks or even for that matter.

27. July 2007, 18:02:30
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: Did this change recently??? When I had WebTV I used PayPal ALL the time.

27. July 2007, 19:02:07
pauloaguia 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: There is an option for transferring the money directly to Fencer's account. I never understood exactly why that option says Czech Republic only... International money transfers are a perfectly valid and easy form of payment and I know of many people that prefer them to the hassle of using PayPal (and sometimes it's cheapper too, especially if within the Euro zone )

27. July 2007, 19:38:13
Eriisa 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
pauloaguia: maybe he doesnt want to use money transfers due to the bank charges.

27. July 2007, 21:19:11
alanback 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
pauloaguia:  So your saying Fencer accepts Czech banks but not bank cheques?

27. July 2007, 21:24:03
Rose 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
alanback: Hehe Yup czech's checks only!

29. July 2007, 09:19:15
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
emmett: "Every other company does"? That's really funny. Have you ever tried to accept credit cards directly? I have been negotiating with several banks regarding this issue and their policy is very disadvantageous for me, compared to PayPal. That's why we don't support it, at least not now.

29. July 2007, 11:19:24
goodbyebking 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Fencer: I'm sorry F. I have only shopped with large "corporate" companies online so far, so my statement was too broad and ill-informed.
My passionate response regarding Paypal stemmed from the very, very frustrating experience I had with them. I claimed that I would never pay for a brainking membership again after that experience. Of course, your charisma and my connection with brainking has since turned that decision around.

29. July 2007, 15:43:35
Purple 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Fencer: Here is a plan. Publish the address where you recieve your mail and we can send cash. The amounts are usually too small to warrant theivery or mail theft. There is about $1.75 postage to mail overseas but that's no big deal. If American dollars are no good anymore then the world is coming to an end. :)

29. July 2007, 16:49:20
gogul 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Modified by gogul (29. July 2007, 16:51:52)
Purple: Common Purp. Not hard at all to send cash. Isn't there a webtv-f/s? Soon enough we'll know if you can paypal with it. Letters to the Czech Rep. with money in it should be send regristred (strongly recomanded, appart the possibility that sending money by mail to the czechs isn't allowed maybe, that is why he wouldn't offer it as a payment method), otherwise noone should cry if he tells you: no, no letter arrived.
They go through many hands, and a thief checking 3000 letters each day will take 30€ with pleasure.
Money with its addicions brings the world to an end, as a matter of fact.

29. July 2007, 16:54:50
Purple 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
gogul: One needs an address to send it to. Even though he is well known "Fencer..Czech Rep" won't get it there. lol

29. July 2007, 17:15:07
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: I don't understand why you say paypal can't be used. I think I will hook my webtv back up this afternoon and check it out. I'll buy some brains with it or something. (No comments!, lol)

29. July 2007, 19:23:15
Eriisa 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
redfrog: he does, doesn't he......

29. July 2007, 19:34:58
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Eriisa:

29. July 2007, 19:46:03
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
emmett: Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was addressing my comment towards Purple, as he says it can't be used with WebTV. I used WebTV for years until recently, and used PayPal all the time.

29. July 2007, 19:53:07
goodbyebking 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
rod03801: Oops

29. July 2007, 20:22:42
Purple 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
rod03801: One last off-topic post. If I could (use PayPal) don't you think I would? I even went so far as to talk to them on the phone for 20 min. The end result is that everything was fine except for one thing. I needed to confirm by e-mail my password etc and they have a hyper-link I had to use which webtv doesn't recognize. The really strange part is when I renewed my GoldToken membership with my credit card THEY automatically rolled it over and it was billed through my credit card to my non-existant PayPal account. And I have not been smoking. lol

1. August 2007, 15:58:38
Pbarb2 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: I have webtv and used PayPal ewver since I had to pay for game memberships.
Not to long ago someone sent me a message saying that I had to update. I went in to update and first thing it said was give my credit card number. It was on the offical PayPal sheet so I did it. As I was sending it I caught the date of that page was 2005 not 2007. It was to late to get it back.
I then called PayPal and they confirmed it was not anything they sent out. They suggested I get my credit card number canceled and a new one sent. They said they were going to check it out and with the law enforcement and get the people sending these out. So about 2 weeks ago I got the same thing. I sent it to the PayPal and they again said it was not anything they sent out. Someone is trying to get credit card numbers. Please beware of that. I did not try to use PayPal since this happened. So hope when it is time to renew it works.
Oops forgot...this page to fill my credit card number was not in the secure part of PayPal.
I wrote this so all who use PayPal beware of this happening.

1. August 2007, 16:15:11
Eriisa 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Modified by Eriisa (1. August 2007, 16:15:29)
Pbarb2: Those are called spoof emails. People will send them out to look like PayPal or eBay or your bank.

First rule of thumb... never click any links in an email. Just to to the website on a fresh page and log in.

one hint on Paypal emails, is that it will have your full name in the Dear So&So line. Not your email address, or anything else. BUT I have been getting spoofs with my name lately. I think however, its because I'm an ebay seller and someone got my info off a sale.

Hope this helps</b></b>

1. August 2007, 16:36:58
Pbarb2 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Eriisa: Yes, thats the name spoof. Another year older and another memory block. LOL I am ok..but just wanted others to know so they don't get onto the same thing. Maybe they are smarter than I was.

1. August 2007, 17:27:07
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Pbarb2: A tip for everyone who has PayPal, Banking online, etc...

If ANY place sends you an e-mail saying they need updated information, like PayPal, etc... DO NOT - EVER - follow the link that is in the e-mail.

For example, if PayPal send you a message saying something needs updated, DO NOT click the link. - Go to your web browser and type in http://www.paypal.com - and go to the site that way and sign in.... and once you sign in there, if there is something that needs done - it will there let you know. Otherwise, it was probable a scammer where the link in the e-mail might look real - but sends you to their own page to collect information that is entered there. (Same with ebay, any bank, or really - any account you have.)

Take an extra 30 seconds and go type in the address yourself rather then follow links. And if it is your bank or something, call them on the phone. I don't know of any bank that will ask you to update information over the web - they will call you, or want you to call them.

1. August 2007, 17:33:15
Andersp 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
coan.net: interesting

1. August 2007, 21:42:26
Pbarb2 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
coan.net: Thanks.. I am glad you printed that out so others will know. It looked so offical to me. At least I got my credit card changed before they had a chance to do anything with it.

2. August 2007, 00:20:49
wetware 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods

Pbarb2: You can also forward that kind of email to spoof@paypal.com, but do so without removing any of the message header or clicking on any links contained in the message you received.


Other financial organizations typically have a similar email box (spoof@ebay, abuse@bankofthewest.com, are some examples), where such spoofing attempts can be directed for quick investigation and disabling of the spoofing site(s).


I generally will forward such messages, even if I have no dealings whatsoever with the financial organization that the message "seems" to come from.  (I figure I'm doing a good deed that way.)  Remember that spoofers are usually just guessing which organizations people might have accounts with, so they'll tend to pick larger ones ( = better chances of their reaching actual customers, and perhaps getting somebody to respond and divulge personal information).


2. August 2007, 00:38:09
Purple 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
wetware: Damn. It would be safer sending Fencer cash in a plain white envelope with block letters on the outside saying "CASH INSIDE" in both English and Czech. LOL

2. August 2007, 01:16:51
srnity 
Subject: Re: Payment Methods
Purple: ROFLMBO - try it and let us know

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