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16. February 2004, 22:09:59
Pioneer54 
Subject: Re: Money
Didn't we just go through this (discussion of getting a server upgrade) a few months ago? .... Just wondering!!?

However, the idea of a short-term infusion of cash via membership extensions at slightly reduced rates is a good one, because it will both retain members by their commitals and make it possible for new paying members to join at future dates, neither of which will be possible without continual sound operation of the site. A mere observation, though having said it, I myself am apprehensive about many things here, and I cannot even say if I'd be willing to plunk down $20 for an additional year, if offered. For example, I am having some trouble with some games: when I click on a game that is in my 'pink' to-move section, it goes back to the position after my last move!!? I'm sure this will get ironed out in time, but little annoying glitches like this one seem to keep popping up.

16. February 2004, 22:24:19
Stevie 
Subject: Re: Money
Those little problems are being caused by the current problem Pioneer I think

17. February 2004, 05:51:53
Pioneer54 
Subject: Re: Money
Yes Steve, I reckon you may have a valid point in saying that many small problems are sprouting from the main obstacle, which seems to be the installation of a better server. However, this looks like a vicious cycle that was the same topic of talk late in 2003. And, things have gotten better since then, although there is still much room for improvement.

There have been a lot of suggestions posted here about ways to raise capital, some interesting, others ridiculous, or made merely to lighten up the banter! For me, it isn't a matter of dollars per se as value derived. Ordinarily, in business practice, it is customary for a salable product to be developed before ANY revenue is incurred. Who among us would walk into Wal-Mart and buy a defective toy in the hopes that one day it might just work properly? Or go to a grocery store and give five bucks to them for a shipment of bananas that wasn't due to arrive until the following week? Now, we're dealing with an uncommon item here in that BK is a very special site, and things like this don't happen often, but I sense that all too many members here are too eager to put the cart before the horse. The devotion and willingness to offer assistance is laudable, but I have a tough time accepting the subjectivity.

Maybe things will in fact only improve if some cash is generated; if that is the case, then it needs to be definitively stated by the management, and some bold steps taken to get results. So far, only a figure has been tossed out with an implicit opening to discuss it, which isn't exactly the "captain of industry" approach.

As things stand currently, I'm content to lay back and see what happens, and if at some point I become confident that the site will run flawlessly, then I'll renew at whatever the going rate is, and be glad to pay!

17. February 2004, 06:07:55
bwildman 
Subject: Re: Money
I'm sure when Sam Walton opened his doors for the 1st time in the small town of Bentonville Arkansas...he had no idea it would turn into a multi-billion dollar corperation.
The fact that you can walk into a Walmart is because of a small,mom and pop company..that struggled to make it happen.

17. February 2004, 08:51:45
Lythande 
Subject: Re: Money
Pioneer54:
"Ordinarily, in business practice, it is customary for a salable product to be developed before ANY revenue is incurred.".... And yet, look at MicroSoft, and I'll bet you purchase products from them.. and they have -yet- to develop a 'problem-free' product.

17. February 2004, 11:16:03
Stevie 
Subject: Re: Money (pioneer)
This is primarily a game site, its what we are here for.
When I buy something like a radio control car, I am happy. But if I want it to go better, I then pay for upgrades, i dont go back to Tamiya and complain that it should have had high ratios whenit was standard or should have had tyres for dirt and tarmac. Or when the battery gets old, I pay for a new one, (this is due to wear and tear) Do you see my point?

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