Czuch: Yes, that's about right. They needed explosives because the planes & resulting fire weren't enough in themselves to bring the buildings down. And it is probable that no Arabs committed suicide. No Arabs appeared on the flight manifests released. Some planted information like a passport here or there served to identify them. Some of those indentified are still alive, according to news reports. They were patsies.

Czuch: Why do I have to show you such evidence? It is obvious no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. That is enough Reality to disprove the official theory, and to prove that official theory is disinformation, a cover-up of real events.

If we all agree that "Sam" is missing, and I point to a spot and say, "Look, Sam's not there!" it doesn't mean I have to know where Sam IS to know he isn't THERE. But if somebody insists on telling me he is there where I'm pointing, I know it is a lie.

The Usurper: that was interesting and I agree with Czuch.....where is the real plane?

okay, so... they got these arabs to commit suicide to help the US government start a war in the middle east?

They faked a few planes being hijacked, put a missile in the pentagon , demolished 3 buildings with explosives after flying planes into two of them (btw why did they have to actually demolish the buildings with explosives after they flew planes into them?) anyway, the fbi the cia the president congress and others including obama know all about this, but because its for some greater world domination plan, everyone in the loop is keeping it hush hush??? Sound about right?

The Usurper: Very interesting indeed, great speculation, but far from proving any reality.... now you have to show me the evidence of where the real plane went to???

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm


Watch this short video...and awake to Reality.

"Political Ponerology is a study of the founders and supporters of oppressive political regimes. Lobaczewski’s approach analyzes the common factors that lead to the propagation of man’s inhumanity to man. Morality and humanism cannot long withstand the predations of this evil. Knowledge of its nature – and its insidious effect on both individuals and groups - is the only antidote."

http://ponerology.com/

Artful Dodger: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a duck.

could be a goose tho..ya know,they are kind of similair ;)

awesome: very true...sorry :)

Czuch: i never bitched about it when bush was in office....I'm in it for the long haul,Chuckie...I'm 36 right now...I don't plan on touching any of my investments untill I'm in my 60's

anastasia:

no, I'm awesome, he's Czuch.............

(V): Yes, moronic. But you have twisted the meaning into another of your stawmen. So I won't waste my time explaining it again.

Artful Dodger: Perhaps your Pres is just doing the right thing now for those vets after them being ignored all this time.

.. That's moronic??

As for the removal of tattoos.. Maybe it'll put some people in a better situation to get a good job, rather then being victimised for being 'kids'. Kids do do stupid things ya know, you must remember that. It's part of growing up.

anastasia: I know you wouldnt be so silent about it if Bush was president right now

Czuch: I'm glad YOU know so much about MY portfolio...your awesome!

(V):I know they can be removed.  Why should the government pay for it?  Just another example of rewarding irresponsible people when they do stupid things.

(V):You don't do so in an emergency economic stimulus package.  That's moronic.

Czuch: If they allow you in, you'll have to show reason to be able to stay for ever, otherwise you are just another tourist.

(V): I will move to the UK and let you take care of me

Artful Dodger: Tattoos can be removed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic7X8LKADsg

Watch the video.

Artful Dodger: And Bush did what to the national debt? Spending billions and billions on a war that shouldn't have taken place.. at least maybe not in the form taken... If had thought, they could have done a sneaky war, which would have cost less in money and lives.

And what about some of those people who got contracts to rebuild Iraq, hasn't there been investigations into some over basically ripping off the American Government aka The USA population?

You don't reward those who fought along side you in WWII... that's disgraceful.

Czuch: Having two 100% mortgages... what happens if you lose your job? We are in a recession.

With negative equity

The Usurper: So you must believe then, that Bams plans are working according to plan, since wall st cronies are losing billions every day? If wall st did good under Bush, and evryone hated him, then under Bam, wall st should be doing bad, a good sign that socialism is working?

Czuch: Ahhh but some companies are offering 0% credit for two years or more on certain items like furniture over here. If one was clever, one would pay off the item in under those two years or so.

"Maybe it is a bit different with business.... but my advice is if you cant pay cash fro it, you cant afford it or it is more than you really need."

Have you really been following what has gone on re the banks? They've been lending and borrowing from each other, making very dodgy unthought investments all on the hope that the boom period would not end. Well it does, always.

They've been making bad loans to people, knowing that if the boom failed it would be the people that would suffer, bad mortgages.. no-one should ever get a 100% mortgage, people over here have always been advised (or as was in the past) to save a percentage first before buying a house, and most banks then insisted that had a deposit.

But greed set in, popularised by the banks, etc.

Here's a sobering analysis of Obama's speech from a fellow Progressive:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/177585-Obama-s-Address-to-Congress

Czuch:That's right.  Reward irresponsibility.  That's the way they have always rolled. 

Czuch: If you don't know what a Wall Street crony is, nothing I can say would enlighten you. Did I say I approve of Obama's plan? I only said it is morally superior to the Bush bailout, if it helps one person in genuine need. And I think, for all of its bad points, it will probably do that. You know me, I think the whole ship is going down. Bush passed the torch to Obama, but the mission remains. Neither Bush nor Obama is really in charge, so in a way it is pointless to blame either of them.

The Usurper: So you must believe then, that Bams plans are working according to plan, since wall st cronies are losing billions every day? If wall st did good under Bush, and evryone hated him, then under Bam, wall st should be doing bad, a good sign that socialism is working?

The Usurper: why dont you first explain to us what a wall st cronie is please?

...Bush's 700B went straight into the pockets of Wall Street cronies? Ah...consistency is a rare commodity.

If Obama's bill will help one person who needs it, it is already a morally superior action.

Artful Dodger: Democrats again.

They beg you to be irresponsible and stupid... then they can give you a hand out from someone who wasnt irresponsible and stupid, and then you will vote for them because they helped you, but they dont tell any one that they were only able to help you because there are actually some people in this world who are responsible, and without these responsible people there would be no money to help you be irresponsible, unless your name is Usurper, and he would tell you that all we have to do if nobody is responsible and productive, is to print more money, so dont worry we can still give you money for being irresposible and stupid anyway.... so dont worry, Bam is on your side

Czuch:Yeah, what could I be thinking.  All those tattoo stores will bring in money (yours and mine)to pay for removal of tattoos from people too stupid to realize that tattoos are permanent.  Hmmm.   That sounds fair.

Houston just tried to pass a bill where they would use tax dollars to help elevate credit card debt for those that have over spent.  It was killed but the dems tried to sneak it past the people.  The Republicans rallied and killed that stupid bill.  I don't have any credit card bills because I always pay it off.  Why should I help out some moron who maxed out ten cards?

Democrats again. 

Artful Dodger: 200 thousand dollars for tattoo removal?

What??? Are you an idiot??? Cant you see that money spent on tattoo removal will only help the economy???

Obama says that the government must sacrifice some worthy priority for which there are no dollars.  Fine.  But what they say is one thing.  Right after that he proposes additional spending (money we don't have) for the cure of Cancer.  Double speak.  National Health Care reform can't wait?  Until we have the money?  How many trillions in debt does this guy think we can't make before he ruins the country?


Obama is getting a new fleet of new helicopters.  Hmmmm, 11.2 Billion dollars.  Yeah, like one isn't enough.

But the topper is when he said he "is proud that we passed a recovery plan that is free of earmarks."

Really?  He's either lying or he's stupid.  Neither choice is good.

There's language in this "recovery package" that requires the Transportation Security Administration to buy 100,000 uniforms from U.S. apparel makers (more that three million of tax dollars).  That's an earmark folks.

Three billion in extra transit money.  Another earmark. 

Fifty million for habitat restoration in the San Francisco Bay area.  Another earmark.

1.2 million for products from these companies:  General Electric, L-3 Communications and Reveal Imaging Technologies. (Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal, which is a GE company.)

Earmarks.

There's the 189 million provision for Filipino World War II vets, most of which don't live in the US.  Another earmark.

This is supposed to be emergency legislation. 


So what's up with the 2 billion for battery research?  Emergency legislation?  Maybe Obama is just redefining earmarks.  Kinda like Clinton did with "is."

There 800 million for carbon capture projects.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.  It's a duck. 

That's just a start.  It's pork, no matter what.  200 thousand dollars for tattoo removal?  Seriously, if that's not an earmark, what is it?

Nothing surprises me anymore.  Change we can believe in?  All we'll have left is change in our pockets and it won't be that much.

anastasia: I dont think any of them are making up for it right now..... maybe walmart, gold was good for awhile, it hit an all time high though and has backed off, but unless you have been short selling.... you are losing the new shirt you bought today

Tuesday: I use someone..known him for years,yes,it would be advisable to go to someone to TALK to them...never ever ever let them pressure you to do anything..if they do,you say thank you and get up and leave because that is not the type of person ya wanna deal with.

...was my brain. And look where that got me? lol

Tuesday: scratch off!!? I LOVE THOSE THINGS! lol....the market isn't for everyone,thats for sure..if ya dont know what your doing,then you can get into alot of trouble..my advice..if you don;t feel comfortable with it,then don't invest into it...there are other options,like bonds and stuff like that that is ALOT more tame then the market,lol

Czuch: I'm fine,thanks again for your concern..I am very diversified in my portfolio..a lil here,a lil there....where one fails,the others make up for it

anastasia: looking good now huh?

Czuch: I started investing right after 9-11..thanks for asking

anastasia: It seems like a buyers market, and normally after a good correction I would agree with you.... but we had a good correction, then an election and now a new plan for the future... like I said, the market is way ahead of the curve, if the pros thought this was a good plan for stocks, the market would be going up already... remember, buy on the rumor, sell on the news... by the time you figure out the economy is doing well, the pros are already selling it off..... right now, its more like sell on the rumor and buy on the news maybe?

Tuesday: Coffee can is a good idea...

anastasia: Yeah, such a buyers market that you are dumping all your money in it???

Czuch: right now is a buyers market