Iamon lyme: nooo.... it causes comets.

The guy should be "Archie'd" for making such a dumb comment... aka sent back to school!!

Artful Dodger: Their greatness is a relative view. When they play on stereotyping.. then they are not so great... tabloid'ish.

I didn't listen to his speech or really read anything much about it. Speeches are speeches, UK politicians do them all the time and say nothing in the process. More is said in the ignoring of questions asked.

eg "are people going to be better off in 2 years"... reply .. "we've lowered income tax"

no yes... no no, despite figures saying no from officially recognised analysts.

Artful Dodger: I guess this pjmedia lot rely on preconceived right wing hysteria alot then!!

Iamon lyme: I'm sure there are, but the trade is just not worth it. eheheheh

Artful Dodger: dude .. that line is so old... it makes you look young!!

" The politicians don't care about dead kids. Example: Chicago and Detroit."

What about Texas.. One of the worst states in the US for child deaths and abuse.

The Col: He did a series of 'life stories' where he gets to interview celebs on a one to one basis, aka PR stunt for the celeb... he only got religion after he started working in the US. He lied regarding the phone hacking and his involvement, wouldn't even come back to the UK to lie face to face.

He's as sincere as a fake tan.

Iamon lyme: No way!!!! He's your problem now. We don't want him.

HA HA HA.... we tricked your tv people into signing him up, payback for the tea party!!!

lol

And the Gov'nment has been spanked over back to work schemes that are unpaid.

Not that people do not want to work... but if they are willing to work as a volunteer at a local museum for free... it does not mean they will work for Poundland for free under a scheme known as the "sector-based work academy".

... to ask a person to work 30 hours a week for six months in a "Community Action Programme" for free.

A mate of mine in the past use to get extra to take into account of his expenses for doing a degree via the OU... 20 odd years ago that was £10. It use to be part time workers on obtaining a full time job would get a lump sum based on a 50/50 split of the money the social deducted from any benefits to make the jump to full from part time easier.

... kinda covered any travelling expenses, etc till that first pay check.

Now... it appears to places in the UK could have deliberately processed horse meat for use in food products in the UK.

The Romanian PM is angry abattoirs in Romania have been linked to supplies of horse meat. Romanians are unhappy that horse and buggy's are banned from the roads.

... It's not the horse meat that is the real problem... but certain items given to horses that is not good for humans.

Iamon lyme: I guess you get annoyed by silly left wing just like I get annoyed by silly left and right wing stuff. Of course the 2nd was not about the right to hunt... that was just how it was back then, people hunted game... as they do still now. N' no it in some places is a necessity. People make a living out of it.

..... dude

Iamon lyme: No... I was commentating that the NRA and pro gun groups have been just as vocal as the anti gun groups.

"Membership in the NRA grew by a quarter of a million people in the month following the massacre of innocent school children... it had nothing to do with the NRA promoting anything. It was a reaction by people who were horrified by the mass murdering of children"

A knee jerk reaction by people who are horrified it could happen to their children. I get that, I get people joining the NRA... 250K over the whole country... ok. The NRA have been defending the 2nd amendment. Some pro gunners tried to get Piers Morgan deported. It's been in the news!!

...promoting the 2nd is nothing? Saying assault rifles are normal is nothing??

Dude..... don't make me dude you!! as in Basketball duding ;P

Artful Dodger: No... That's how the gun lobbyists see it. N' of course no one is going to end the 2nd amendment.


"Anyone can search the internet and find numerous examples of mass murders with weapons like knives, cars, trucks, axes, - you name it- "

Yes, but I stated before... a gun does make it easier to kill more people.

""True that a gun is easier to kill with. But so what? That's NOT the argument being put forth.""

It is part of my argument.

"If they keep this up, more people will own guns than ever in the history of the US. People who have never shot a gun are buying one. And bullets are being sold like crazy. All thanks to the hype from the left."

All the hype from the left, no-one else... like the NRA and right wing fear/love the gun promoters.

" When they talk about banning a certain semi-automatic, that particular gun experiences record sales! Way to go lefties"

Why is it always the lefts' fault? I've seen people who treat guns as a tool.. hunting, etc.. state this love of guns is .... .... nutz

"Nurse Stanek was horrified to learn that some premature infants born alive had been placed in a dirty laundry closet to gasp out their young lives. Jill Stanek rocked them and sang to these poor little ones as their young lives ebbed away."

And the hospital/clinic has not been put under investigation? It's a blame it on Obama moment?

"And do any of you on the left see the conflict in opposing waterboarding (Obama opposes it) BUT favoring killing suspected terrorists without a trial of any kind? (Obama supports killing suspected terrorists but not waterboarding them)"

Killing in battle, killing them because they are in a place they shouldn't be.

So many no real meaning bits....

American Thinker is not very lucid. ;)

Artful Dodger: Is their some relevance to such info? Suicides and murder being different things.

"The no thinkers don't realise that reducing the number of bullets in a magazine only means that a killer intent on mass murder will need to take more magazines with him."

More reloading slows down the killing. More chance people will escape or be capable of taking the killer down.

OMG...... It's like Alex Jones all over again..

Wales is part of the UK. So is Scotland and Northern Ireland... as is England.

Not sure if the channel islands are in those figures, or the Isle of Man... But seeing as they are part of the UK.... probably yes.

USA .... 3.6 deaths per 100,000 gun related murder.
UK ... 0.04 deaths per 100,000 gun related murder.

UK
2010: 27
2009: 18
2008: 32
2007: 22
2006: 51
2005: 41
2004: 52
2003: 41
2002: 31
2001: 41
1999: 45
1998: 33

Of the 30,470 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2010, 19,392 (63.6%) were suicide deaths, and 11,078 (36.4%) homicide deaths.

IE bad American pro gun stats are a straw-man argument.
Read more via your search engine rather relying on bad thinkers.
As shown on TV via Piers Morgan and Alex Jones who couldn't face how little actual gun murders are happening in the UK.

.... All processed meat manufacturers in the UK have been told to check their beef products for traces of horse meat, after a batch of Findus beef lasagne's turned out to be made from....

.... 100% horse meat.

Butchers across the country are seeing even bigger rises in custom.

Morrison's are advertising that all their beef is 100% British.

... unlike other stores. ;P

.... Pantomime horses thankfully have not made it into the food chain!!

Iamon lyme: mmmmm that reminds me that God is both male and female, and for that reason.. understanding is hard. :P

Artful Dodger: You might wake up to a world where monkey's rule... Jay and Silent Bob style... not Planet of the Apes. lol

Iamon lyme: ..... you tried!!

Bad idea.... bad bad idea!! lol

Artful Dodger: A certain amount of weight is needed, structural strength being more essential imo... or nowadays.. airbags.

" It worked for Spock. Actually, there is a science behind that idea and as I understand it, it's theoretically possible. But I'll be dead before it's perfected."

.... you could always get frozen....

Artful Dodger: Now... cannot a car be well built and light. A gutted demolition derby car is light, yet the safety feature of the roll cage makes it safer than a SUV.

It's all a matter of how much safety is featured in the design.

Iamon lyme: Do you mean seppuku? If so... yes.

It was a honour thing combined with a second swordsman taking the head off.

Less worse than the old practice of hung drawn and quartered that was practised throughout Europe. Or some of the other ... ... tmi for this board. ;P

Artful Dodger: HGV's by law now in the UK/Europe, have to have bars fitted so cars cannot in an accident go under resulting in the car being crushed.

Artful Dodger: Considering the many ways of ending ones life... (sucked) ?? .. Guns are irrelevant. It would be considered impolite by Japanese (from what I hear) to be messy.

Artful Dodger: No... F1 cars are light by nature, yet far safer than a normal car. The killer is the SUV style cars. So much extra weight that they are harder to control and if involved in an accident more likely to kill more of those outside the SUV that are involved. Especially as a heavy vehicle is not so easy to control in accidents.

The people in the SUV type vehicle may have a ton of steel to protect them... That's nice for them but not for the other people involved.

Artful Dodger: Guns just make it easier. Point... pull trigger.... bang.

Not like having to do it with your bare hands or a bat.

Bwild: Yes there is. But even working it out as per 1000 population it is high.

Artful Dodger: Another one!! I saw some American pastor now stating the 'end is nigh' and the moon is telling us so.

.. Maybe we should put all the bloggers and hard line conspiracy people in one place and nuke 'em. ;)

.... No more conspiracies then. lol

Artful Dodger: ... they have armed guards. Just like I believe some shops do in the USA... or gated communities. I hear a newspaper hired armed guards recently as they pissed some people off.

..... Guess the weapons trade needs to keep employing!!

Artful Dodger: Um... it appears they are.

"The reason most law enforcement agencies either issue or permit their officers to carry hollow-point ammunition is that when deadly force is authorized—when the immediate threat of serious physical injury or death to the officer, their partner, or someone else is present—hollow-point rounds have a better chance of stopping that threat without the risk of over penetration. In other words, the possibility of a through-and-through shot hitting someone it was not intended to hit is lessened. The goal is to step the threat without injuring or killing someone else in the process, and hollow-point ammunition helps do that."

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/tactics-and-weapons/short-history-hollow-points

Artful Dodger: Well unless the US government is planning on killing millions of Americans to reduce 'costs' and replace you all with 'immigrants'.... ....

But...

"Agents carry .357-calibre pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.
Hollow-points cause more tissue damage

Some bloggers have taken issue with the type of ammunition the agency is buying, questioning why agents need hollow-point bullets. Hollow-points are known for causing more tissue damage than other bullets when they hit a person because they expand when they enter the body.

The bullets, however, are standard issue for many law enforcement agencies, Lasher said, a fact confirmed by the directors of two law enforcement training centres.

"For practice ammunition, they do not have to be hollow-points, but hollow-points are the normal police round used for duty ammunition due to their ability to stop when they hit an object as opposed to going through it and striking more objects," said William J. Muldoon, president of the International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training."

You do want your police and feds armed don't you? Able to defend themselves while protecting your shores, towns and cities from crime!!

Artful Dodger: I'd accept target practice if they were a confirmed gun club member or owner... otherwise apart from some strange doomsday preppers, no one person needs 1000's of rounds. I think at one time the standard load for a soldier going into combat was only about 1500 rounds.

Btw.... "we already have over 20,000 gun laws (which includes local laws)."

Too many laws. ;P

Artful Dodger: I know it's people that pull the trigger, but when you allow a person to order 1000's of rounds at one time... ... .. get my drift? Little red light saying "why does one man need so much ammo?" flashing??

We had a full no knives or sharp items on the streets allowed. Automatic arrest for all juvi's and 99% chance of a custodial sentence... it worked. As weapons are not the norm of this country.... it is the norm that Americans are armed, so it's the norm that a criminal will arm themselves... catch 22 situation.

"It is scary that youtube has things like recipes for massive destruction of human life! But I'll bet the posters and the subscribers are being watched by the CIA."

Noooooo. When a guy is making rocket candy for his rockets as a fun hobby.. no harm. Thermite.. can be handy... plasticated it's a cheap metal cutter. I was shocked, but could see that many normal uses cannot be censored just because this world has nut jobs.

Mentos and coke.. that's a funny one!!

Artful Dodger: ... Thank God for that. Some nutty Americans armed with a cruise would be a very bad idea.

... but they could afford and make themselves unguided or simple guided rockets/missiles (guided as in a simple gyroscopic guidance). Youtube basically has all the info, including how to make solid fuel.

... I know this, I have seen this. Napalm, thermite recipes all on youtube!!

rod03801: ... a dictator.... I think you use that label too loosely. You don't see tanks on the street or jets bombing US citizens like in Syria.

No mass executions, American troops going around *&!%@? and pillaging like in the days of old against the American Indians.

... Yes, at that time the US government was an invader, just like we were in Australia.

"They are WELCOME to their silly laws"

Our silly laws include that gun owners are screened to stop probable maniacs going on a rampage... it's not perfect, but our gun crime death rate is very low. Imagine that...

It's nice that our schools don't need armed police or guards to protect the kids. Guns being more important than them it seems.

Artful Dodger: That's not true. The CIA has backed some really nasty bar stewards in the past, replaced democratically elected governments and all sorts of bad crap.

How did Al Qaeda get good at hijacking planes.... because they were trained to bring down soviet planes, the Taliban were trained to avoid Soviet troops, how to build IED's, etc.

I wonder how Iran would be today if the Oil companies hadn't got our governments put a puppet in place!

Artful Dodger: So it's ok for someone to own a cruise missile or two?

Artful Dodger: ....... the CIA!!??!! I though they'd be more discreet these days. ;P

Übergeek 바둑이: So has Sarah Palin.

Artful Dodger: Yep... I don't think 30 round shotgun magazines, attached to automatic shotguns were envisioned when the constitution was written. Pistols and bolt action rifles being more in line with the weaponry of that era.

Artful Dodger: We do and we don't. When I see people being able to build hydrogen gas extractors for their cars from 'bits and pieces', or batteries made from cow dung....

"See Al Gore. He's made millions on his lies."

So has Tony Blair, it seems big politicians make more out of power then in!!

As to gun control.... does that mean the US will go back to using muskets and other single fire weapons as used in 1791?

rod03801: Intentions... Well, that says it all.

As I said..... show.

David Cameron is showing signs that he is not confident that he'll(his party) is capable of winning at the next election.

The conservative leader has stated "he is commitment to hold a referendum on the UK's future in Europe if he wins the next election." .... The UKIP party is stealing votes over the UK's involvement in the EU and our treaties as such. Mainly because the conservatives and labour parties were not willing to do anything, it being good jobs for the boys as EMP's.

It's like the US states arguing with da feds. Mostly just for show.

Blimey... allotment wars... where sabotage, kidnapping, feuds and midnight breaking in of sheds so 'tramps' can have a nice snooze on the sofa with scented candles.

ok.. the kidnapping was a lock in so the 'committee' could get there way and evict a plot holder as he had questioned their authority and won.

... The guys plot was perfect for pumpkins.. 1st place being worth more than £1.50!!

Iamon lyme: We'd run out of room. People would get bored.. dangerous combination.

Artful Dodger: Or they could be using donkey meat. It appears many European salamis/sausages may contain donkey... ... ... I'm doing a chicken stew today. Starting from a whole fresh chicken being de-boned and cut up by myself.

.... Our local butchers trade is picking up!! ;P

Iamon lyme: Not so nice towards the end period.



"I don't know if this is relevant or not but our sun is among the top 10% of the largest stars in our galaxy."

No... If it was bigger then it would be a factor. Jupiter is more relevant I feel in it's cleansing ability.

"If you want to call that "wild rumors", then what would you call speculation of life on Mars because the surface indicates the presence of water?"

.... Mars is a nearly planet. From what I'm seeing now it is very probable it did have life. But with no magnetic field the sun killed it. They say an object like our moon did circle Mars but it appears to have crashed into the planet, when it was there.. Mars could have started to form organic life.

"But here's the kicker, at the time Drake and Sagan sent their message this was already known."

PR stunt.. like putting a record on the Voyagers.

"Because it will take 25,000 years for the message to reach its intended destination of stars (and an additional 25,000 years for any reply), the Arecibo message was more a demonstration of human technological achievement than a real attempt to enter into a conversation with extraterrestrials. In fact, the stars of M13, that the message was aimed at, will no longer be in that location when the message arrives.[1] According to the Cornell News press release of November 12, 1999, the real purpose of the message was not to make contact, but to demonstrate the capabilities of newly installed equipment."

Iamon lyme: Do not read anything by Origen then. lol

Could be a wall event, where you need to bang your head against one!! :))

Artful Dodger: Make a good stew. I'm waiting to hear if McD's get caught up in this mess. They do state that they get much of their beef from Ireland. :P