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10. August 2011, 22:34:06
Papa Zoom 
Subject: And finally
The English government has effectively abolished the right of Englishmen, confirmed in their 1689 Bill of Rights, to "have arms for their defence," insisting upon a monopoly of force it can succeed in imposing only on law-abiding citizens. It has come perilously close to depriving its people of the ability to protect themselves at all, and the result is a more, not less, dangerous society. Despite the English tendency to decry America's "vigilante values," English policy makers would do well to consider a return to these crucial common law values, which stood them so well in the past.

10. August 2011, 22:36:26
Bernice 
Subject: Re: And finally
Artful Dodger: yeah but it isn't too much trouble...ask the Mouse.

10. August 2011, 22:43:21
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: And finally
Bernice: The problem in properly assessing a problem is in having the vantage point where all the trouble is occuring. Clearly, it wasn't everywhere, but where it was - it was very very bad. Burning and looting, even ONE private business is bad. If it's MY car that's burning, it's bad. The fact is, there were dozens of fires and assults and hundreds looted. When the police showed up, the looters just went elsewhere and it was a cat and mouse game.

10. August 2011, 23:53:47
Mort 
Subject: Re: And finally
Artful Dodger: It's the UK now and we are not fighting the Scottish, Irish, French, Spanish and other European countries. Kings are not conscripting men to arms.

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