Artful Dodger: From what I've seen that's about standard from comes out his mouth.... Along with managing to get his website VDARE listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website as a "white nationalist hate group".

(V): Well, I don't buy it. The left loves to play the race card when they can't win the argument - which is often.

Artful Dodger: Seems more the right playing the race card from what is posted here.. or is it the anti-race card?? confusing!!

(V): Only because you're easily confused.

Artful Dodger: Well it does seem that some on the right are using race in reverse... Making out that any objections by the left are based on the race card to nullify and quieten down the left.. a kinda mental bullying.

It's reminds me of when Christian churches (past and present) use the '''DeViL''' as a means to bully people into non questioning their doctrines.

(V): So Britain is greater today as it was in the past?

(V): Most objections on the left that include any mention of race ARE using the race card. Easy to see unless you are blind.

Artful Dodger: Or... you have a different perspective that came about from living outside the left/right divide that people in America seem to enjoy busting their country with.

Yet.. when I watch the likes of "Celebrity Roast" .. people seem to be less touchy.

(V): Or since living outside the left/right divide in America your perspective is very limited. That'd get my vote.

Artful Dodger: Yes it would get your vote, but as mentioned before... that is only an opinion. If you've noticed, when it comes to long term disputes, you usually get an arbitrator from outside the two parties to act as an mediator.

Which makes me believe that your view is limited by being so deeply sided, like with many who are caught in this manufactured right/left divide in the USA. After so much paranoia over 'communism' and 'socialism' (just like with the USSR citizens would have experienced manufactured paranoia over capitalism) it would be logical that many Americans can't see the tree because of the forest.

(V): And that's only your opinion.

Artful Dodger: True... but at least my opinion has more reality behind it than the bloggers you frequent

(V): That's your opinion. But it's based only on your own narrow reality. In point of fact, the bloggers I read are well educated (some PhDs) and experts in their field. And you? You're just a voice on a game site.

Artful Dodger: Right... they have PhD's......


...... Ok.. but then again, anyone with a PhD that supports the theory that Global Warming exists, you say is wrong. So that makes you selective regarding whether you accept a boffins word or not dependant on your political bias.

If we are to accept on this board the word of those with PhD's... most of your views just fall flat on their face regarding the world of science, economics, social engineering, etc.

Especially with the volume of boffins that support views that you say nay to.

(V): No. YOu just tried to blow off the bloggers I read with personal attacks. As if they are bozos with no knowledge. But they clearly know far more than do you. I was just pointing that out.

Artful Dodger: I didn't say that they had no knowledge... bozos or people who put political ideology and money before reality.. yes.

So? You've been saying that for a long time here. To say that you are the only person that is allowed to doubt the honesty of a posters sources is quite .... biased.

"Unless it can be proven that they paid someone to lie. Then it's a story."

Again then much of your 'proof' that climate change is a lie goes up in smoke.

"But the real story with climate change is that top scientists are defecting AWAY from the climate change hypothesis."

Nahhh I'd say that is those who say we cannot cause any climate change. Science is still unsure on a few things. I heard last week of neutrinos travelling faster than light....

... a few months back that E=MC2 is an empty statement.

(V): Here's what I know about you. You don't counter the arguments of those bloggers. You just call them names.

Artful Dodger: Which is what you've done with the 97%+ scientists who say Global warming is a reality. And if you cut the bull and go by votes on this matter.

You Lose.

"duh, the CIA is the government"

Ok.. then the US government supports terrorists, drug runners, murderers, etc.

Is this true?

(V): 97%? You use a calculator to figure that out?

You're just mad cuz I pointed out your error. CIA is part of the government as is HS and DOF and others. The point that you missed was the irony within the statement itself. Now your onto terrorism. Staying on topic with you is like a drunk trying to walk a straight line.

Artful Dodger: Maybe you missed some of the sarcasm regarding how the US 'foreign policy' is one of democracy, fairness and freedom.. while the CIA is one of murder, drugs and over throw any countries government we don't like.. or affects a companies profit margin.

I know they are from the same government, but that implies the American government has multiple personality problems!!

(V): 97%?
Nice made up number.

And who cares if prisoners get pennies for making equipment? IF that is the case, it's pennies TOO much.

rod03801: They should charge criminals room and board!

rod03801: No. Not at all made up.

A Gallup poll from 2009 found ..."that 77% of non-publishing, non-climatological Earth Scientists and 97% of publishing Climatologists believed in human-driven climate change."

The Pew research centre found 84% of scientists believed in climate change, while only 49% of Joe Public believed so.

The Union of Concerned Scientists, which consists of about 250,000 members, state ..."we need to get serious and address this true, proven issue of climate change."

.. they even got serious and sent an email asking it's members to send this to Rupert Murdoch..

"As someone who has read your company's newspapers and watched your television shows and movies, I want to thank you for committing News Corporation to addressing the urgent issue of global warming and for pledging that the company will become carbon neutral by 2010.

Unfortunately, one of the biggest challenges we face today to adequately addressing global warming is coming from your employees.

Fox News show hosts, their guests, and Wall Street Journal columnists regularly misrepresent climate science and attack scientists. Often, they claim climate change itself is not real despite the overwhelming scientific evidence that it is. Allowing their fraudulent claims to go unchecked misleads your audience. This runs counter to News Corp.'s stated policy to "engage our audiences and enable them to find ways to reduce carbon emissions in their own lives."

Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Pete du Pont, and Kimberley Strassel among others, have all attacked the science behind global warming in media outlets owned by News Corp.--including Beck's outrageous claim that Arctic ice is increasing.

I am not entertained by outrageous statements and the misuse of science. Your paid commentators have the right to broadcast their opinions, but not to make up their own facts.

Please match your corporation's climate commitments to real action by ensuring all News Corporation programming get the facts straight."

>>>>>>>> which backs up what I said the other day to Art....

"I didn't say that they had no knowledge... bozos or people who put political ideology and money before reality.. yes. "

zambanek:

For what it is worth whenever i see posts that may be scam or possible advertising ...before clicking on any link .. clicking on the persons name shows whether they have logged onto this site the same time as the post ...If so i will never click on any links they offer.

For the curious this may assist in not finding themselves on dubious sites

obviously whoever they are are aware of the site to log on then within minutes make a post on a discussion board.

personally i find there lowlife actions annoying