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19. May 2009, 17:27:41
Mort 
Subject: Re BK board...
Czuch: Because not everyone does something, and some companies (like paypal) can make it difficult to sort out matters. In our case, I had to look on the internet for a number I was told did not exist... ie the companies complaints dept number. I was told by all their customer care people I could not call them and would have to just communicate by mail.

They lied.

That's why we need governments to regulate and make laws to protect consumers. In the end paypal might be kicking itself in the bum, but it may take years before things change.

EG.... Our government and the expenses policy which has been going on since the Thatcher days and nobody has within the organisation has spoken up till recently.

Same with your medical system, the health companies are pretty much a law onto themselves... you lobbyist system is lining pockets, etc, etc .... and we have had more over here.

You want a totally free market with no government sticking it's oar in.... Then expect similar with every company. And I'd forget about taking medicines as no-one will be there to stop them marketing and selling rubbish.

Our 'free' market now is costing people lives.. Have you seen how people in India recycle computers? How sweat shops look?? How people earn peanuts, yet we get charged 1000 times more???

A shop I worked for sold one item for 99p some 15 years back... It cost them 6p even with being imported from India... how much do you think the workers earned per item?

20. May 2009, 02:40:59
Czuch 
Subject: Re: Re BK board...
(V): Well, on the BK board you made it sound like you thought the free market would take care of companies like Paypal... now you sound like you are advocating for the government to step in?

..and I have never advocated for no government "oar" in the water....

I guess the point I would make to you is that the problem i see most is who gets to decide???

You obviously can see how the free market will weed out the bad companies from the good ones, without the need for the government to make extra regulations, right?

and I can agree that there are obviously regulations that the government can impose that will help...


But if we get too far in your direction, and you expect the government to fix things against the free market doing so, then I ask you, where is the line drawn anyway??? Who gets to decide when the free market weeds out the good from the bad, and when the government does it for us? Thats the slippery slope I dont want to get into personally..

20. May 2009, 02:43:37
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: Re BK board...
Czuch:  The current crisis in the US AND the UK is a direct result of the wonderful government taking care of things.    We wouldn't be in this mess but for the government (dems and repubs).   That's a fact jack.

21. May 2009, 10:19:55
Mort 
Subject: Re: Re BK board...
Czuch: Most of it is simple morality, But many bosses don't care about that.. just money.

I can see how some will be weeded out by the free market, but some will not. I expect the government to regulate and set rules of good business.

EG banned directors... One guy who had been banned for fraudulent business practices, just set up another business and hoped to get away with it. In your world he would, the government is through info supplied by the public stopping it.

Is that a bad thing?

21. May 2009, 14:06:49
Czuch 
Subject: Re: Re BK board...
(V): Fraud is fraud, it is against the law, and nobody is advocating someone who breaks the law be allowed to run a business.... the point is,we already do have laws and rules etc, yes sometimes they need to be updated, or rethought out, but just enforce the laws...

22. May 2009, 13:18:04
Mort 
Subject: Re: Re BK board...
Czuch: Aye... we have laws and some are outdated or do not cover modern problems..... So, we need Government, but we need one free of corruption. Two Lords over here have been caught talking about taking money to influence legislation as part of a sting op by journalists. This is the kind of thing we do not need.

22. May 2009, 15:02:50
Czuch 
Subject: Re: Re BK board...
(V): Yes, it does get maddening when the people elected to do the peoples work end up doing more for themselves, and even at the expense of the people

Maybe we have to look at it more from the point of view that it is not simply fraud or corruption, but an act of treason, that might get their attention a bit, make them think a bit before falling for the greedy, self indulgent crap, if they have some serious jail time, or worse, hang them in a public square

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