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25. May 2003, 18:10:14

coan.net

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[Dmitri King - 25. May 2003, 07:08:56] "If one tournamnet is not enouhg, then I would gather that means you would still have unanswered questions after playig in one tournamnet."

... It is not necessarly that you would still have unanswered questions about how the site works - but if you are limited to just one tournament (which how it is now - you might be "stuck" in only 1 tournament for up to 6 months after you finish your games) - your experiance in the tournament might be bad which will give you the impression that this site is bad - which it is not.

Some people do not play many non-tournament games, just tournament games. That is how I was, and I'm sure I'm not the only person. So take this example:

New person to the site, does not know many people but wants to try things out. Joins a tournament, plays all his games in the tournament within 2 weeks. Now because of other slow players in the tournament, he has to wait to join his next tournament. Even though it says he can only join 1 tournament at a time, and he is done with his 1 tournament - he is upset with BrainKing because he is signing on every day for 2-4 months just to find out that he STILL can not join a new tournament. Not only that, but he likes to chat during the games he played. In all this tournament games he played, he did not find anyone that wanted to chat with him. Not only that, during one of this games, he found someone that was really rude to him.

So now a new player that does not know anyone, finds a rude person and people who don't like to chat. He is also being "punished" by waiting for slow players to play OTHER games that's not even his just so he can join a new tournament. His experince with BrainKing is very bad at this point - which means he probable will not keep loggin on to this site to play, let alone pay for this site. If he was allowed to start playing in his next tournament (AFTER he finishes all his games in the first AND has no chance of winning) - it is possible that he will then find that very friendly person who will chat and help the person out..... hopefully enough to stay around and possible pay to play!

So I guess if you can ensure that each players 1 tournament is a good experiance, well we would not need more then 1. But all it takes is something bad (like wait 6 months for slow players to finish games which your not even playing in, rude players, etc...) and if they are unable to play in new games (because they only like to play in tournaments) - well then the answer is NO, 1 tournament is not enough.

You have to rememeber, not everyone come to a games site for the same things. Some people like to play only non-tournament games. Some people like to play only tournament games. Some people visit the discussion boards, while others never have visited any of the discussions boards.

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

25. May 2003, 20:35:15

Dmitri King

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BBW-- you are citing coincidental factors as reasons. You presented every possible bad scenario that oculd happen to a player in a tournament. NOen of it has to do with Fencer, Brain King, or the site, but rather, a few rude people and a couple of slow players.

A person can sign up for a small tournament with a fast move limit.

Thisb rings me to another point. You and a few others seem to think ti is objectionable when a player who is slow holds up a tournament. I for one have little to complain about in this regard. A person is entitled to use the time given to him.

BUt, I was a bit surprised to see you chiming in about slow players, given that you play veyr slowly, taking a long time for each move, regardless of the game situation, which is in fact, holding up a tournament.

Anyhow, perhaps you weren't compaining about that act, but just opitning out that it may screw up a brain Pawn who cannot enter any more tournaments.

That was my whole point though-- a paying member need not worry about that.

You said a player might not be able to fins chatting partners in his one tournament? SO WHAT? he can enter 20 non tournamnet games and find chat partners. that portion of your argument is very weak because a player need not play tournament games to chat with opponents. In fact, if one was interested in chat, Why would he play tournamnets games instead of casual personal invite games?

25. May 2003, 22:31:29

coan.net

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Dmitri: Now I know why people have a hard time trying to have a discussion with you - you keep pulling things in to a conversation that is ?????

OK, first: Yes, my example was just a "bad scenario" that could happen to a player. It does not have to do with Fencer (Never said it did) - all I said is THINGS LIKE THAT MAKE THE WHOLE SITE LOOK BAD. When a player only has a limited experiance and bad things happen in that limited experiance - do you really think they are just going to pay and hope things get better? (OK, maybe you do - but most others probable won't)

I NEVER said that it was wrong for people to play slow (Where you get this stuff... I have no idea??) - if they are within their time limit, FINE. I'm a slow player - I think I even posted that somewhere recently that I've been playing slow recently. (Mostly because when I do have a few hours, the site always seems to be down or something - but that has NOTHING to do with this!!!) --- but you still feel like bringing things up that has nothing to do with what I posted.

AGAIN, here is the point of the whole thing: A player is limited to 1 tournament at a time. (THIS IS A GOOD RULE). The problem is the one player could be done with all his games in 2 weeks, and he may lose all his games and knows he will not move on. In MY OPINION he is done with that tournament and should be allowed to join a new tournament. (And not have to wait up to 6 months for other players playing in other games) Do you understand this point????????? (IF not, just say so - and quit trying to argue it - I'll try to explain it better, OK??)

I'm not "chiming in about slow players" - players can play as slow as they want in my opinion - BUT if those games just happen to be in the same tournament section, it can effect the new pawn player who may get a bad impression of this site. AGAIN, I'm not saying that the other players should be playing any faster - just that if all the games are complete in the tournament section for a player, and he has NO chance to move to the next section - he should be allowed to join a new tournament. (Hopefully you will understand this and stop pulling new things into this) If you don't agree, just say you don't agree - and quit bringing other things into this. ugh!

And about joining non-tournament games - LIKE I ALREADY SAID - Many people play different ways - some do not like playing non-tournament games - I know I do not. ugh.....

This will be my last post on this subject... I should have known better then to try to discuss this with Dmitri...

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

25. May 2003, 22:46:12

Dmitri King

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BBW-- I am sorry if I misconstrued anything you said-- Internet posts often do get misconstrued, often through no fault of the writer or the reader of the post; it isj ust the nature of impersonal internet conversations.

You have, however, made yourself very clear on this point:

"AGAIN, here is the point of the whole thing: A player is limited to 1 tournament at a time. (THIS IS A GOOD RULE). The problem is the one player could be done with all his games in 2 weeks, and he may lose all his games and knows he will not move on. In MY OPINION he is done with that tournament and should be allowed to join a new tournament. (And not have to wait up to 6 months for other players playing in other games) Do you understand this point????????? (IF not, just say so - and quit trying to argue it - I'll try to explain it better, OK??) "

So, yes, I understand you COMPLETELY here. And here is my retort. Any non member who objects to this policy has a SIMPLE way of eliminating the prolbem. BUY A MEMBERSHIP. Problem solved! That si really the only point I was making. All the other tangential converstions stemmed from this one, about the possibility fo a lingering tournament.

I think the reason the conversation often gets steered in that direction (as it has several times over the last few months) is because someone always chips in with "Well, not everyone can afford a membership" when I state "Buy a membership" as a solution to the prolbme of only being able to enter one tournament and having to wait for it to be completely finished.

25. May 2003, 22:57:38

lilac fairy

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And the last word was had by Dmitri King,

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