BrainKing - Discussion boards (Feature requests)

Subject: Tournament next round

It has been asked many times, that the tournaments would start their next round before every game is finished, and it has always been answered that it would consume to much resources to calculate every tournament at every hour.
How about something like a way for the creator or any player could manually submit an "unfinished" tournament or section to that calculation (maybe limited to once a day/per tournament, so it would prevent a player from forcing the system to calculate the tournaments positions recursively, making the system near a crash). There would still be the need that the system could calculate the maximum number of points a player could still get, but I don't think anyone would try it (specially if it was independent for each section), if most of the games wouldn't be already finished and the final positions were almost obvious (or at least the winner of the section)

Hope it's not to confusing

25. October 2009, 02:12:52

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

Modified by MadMonkey (25. October 2009, 02:13:16)

El Cid: I will modify the Feature Request list i have for Fencer for things to be included in BrainKing 3. (well, to be considered lol)

That is similar to how Tournaments first were on brainking. Each round had to be started manually, but that was with all results in.

I think maybe once or twice a day an automatic check to see if anyone (or a Team) has already qualified for the next round of a Tournament could run.........that should be sufficient.

25. October 2009, 02:21:43

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

MadMonkey: Actually I meant a manual "before schedule" finish round, so that tournaments where no games (or just a few) have finished wouldn't saturate the system. Of course, if no one noticed a group had already been decided, it would be as it is now.
maybe it could be also considered/added that on single elimination tournament, a round could start game by game, so if games 3 and 4 had finished, the winners would start their next game without having to wait for all the games to end (I know this has problems with fisher clock, but those problems happen to at the moment

25. October 2009, 14:28:14

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

El Cid: I understand what you mean, and i am sure Fencer does already, but it is on his list.

The Elimination idea is good as well, that way people who are here regually, and fast, so they finish there games can proceed in a Tournament. This of course would help pawns who play a lot

25. October 2009, 15:24:35

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

Here's another way to speed up some tournaments: if the match type is N-game, or N-win, start N games at once, in stead of waiting for 1 game to finish before starting the next. (For N-win matches, start N games at once. Start a new game if a game ends in a draw, or if it's won by the person currently trailing). This would for instance greatly speed up stairs.

25. October 2009, 15:49:57

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

AbigailII: Yes, good idea. Of course there would have to be some way of setting or checking if a player wishes to do that.
Just in case they are a Pawn, Bishop or Knight saving room for another Tournament to start etc...

25. October 2009, 16:21:52

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

MadMonkey: Pawns, Bishops and Knights already have the option to not participate in a tournament that will start many games at once. ;-)

25. October 2009, 16:34:22

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

AbigailII: Well, yes, but in a different sense. If a game in a Tournaemt was first to 5 points for example, at present they get one game at a time, you are suggesting they get 5 at once ? or am i missing something.

BugCafe have a similar thing, when you sign for a Tournament it asks you how many games you would like at once from the Tournament.

25. October 2009, 17:34:54

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

MadMonkey: If a game in a Tournaemt was first to 5 points for example, at present they get one game at a time, you are suggesting they get 5 at once
Yes.

25. October 2009, 16:35:11

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

AbigailII: Although I agree that it would make tournaments go faster, I don't think I would like to join such tournaments, if multiple games (instead of a single match) were mandatory, because I probably would not know exactly how many games I would get (for instance on a 21 points match with doubling cube), and so I would end up (at least on what concerns to my plays only) slowing up the games.
Besides I like to maintain my game number at a low level, so if it was a 3 match game I probably wouldn't mind, but on a 10 win match I (and maybe a lot more people) most likely would not join the tournament, so make this as an option seems to me as the best option

25. October 2009, 16:48:12

grenv

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

El Cid: Wouldn't be possible with a doubling cube if you think about it. :)

Even # of games isn't really a good option, since you can play for the draw late in a series if ahead, but not with this option.

How about speeding up tournaments by starting the next round as soon as the contestants are known, this would be far more effective IMO.

25. October 2009, 17:44:15

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

grenv: Even # of games isn't really a good option, since you can play for the draw late in a series if ahead, but not with this option.

Less opportunity for "playing for the draw" I would find an additional feature.

25. October 2009, 19:11:25

grenv

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

AbigailII: very legitimate in chess. For example, If you're winning by a point with a game to play you may decide to simplify quickly and get a draw. This is part of the game even at world championship level. What's wrong with that??

25. October 2009, 19:18:07

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

grenv: Or if I'm losing for 2 points and there are only 3 games left, I might decide to risk more to try and get a win, since most likely I will lose the match (whereas with all the games in a match played simultaneously I wouldn't do it)

26. October 2009, 00:26:34

grenv

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

El Cid: Precisely. Thank you for completing the argument.

25. October 2009, 17:43:17

Subject: Re: Tournament next round

El Cid: I probably would not know exactly how many games I would get (for instance on a 21 points match with doubling cube)
That would be a single game.

Note that for round robin tournaments, you don't know exactly how many games you get now-a-days either - it will depend on the number of people that are in your section. For elimination tournaments, you will know exactly how many games you get. If it's a 3-game match, you will get 3 games. Not 2. Not 4.

I would end up (at least on what concerns to my plays only) slowing up the games.
Your games might become slower, but your matches will be faster. And the tournament itself as well.

Note also that if we have a tournament "2 games for each 2 players", the games are now already played in parallel.

25. October 2009, 13:44:25

Luke Skywalker