Uzanta Nomo: Pasvorto:
Nova Uzanta Registrado
Moderatoro: Vikings 
 Politics

Forum for discussing local and world politics and issues. All views are welcomed. Let your opinions be heard on current news and politics.


All standard guidelines apply to this board, No Flaming, No Taunting, No Foul Language,No sexual innuendos,etc..

As politics can be a volatile subject, please consider how you would feel if your comment were directed toward yourself.

Any post deemed to be in violation of guidelines will be deleted or edited without warning or notification. Any continued misbehavior will result in a ban or hidden status, so please play nice!!!


*"Moderators are here for a reason. If a moderator (or Global Moderator or Fencer) requests that a discussion on a certain subject to cease - for whatever reason - please respect these wishes. Failure to do so may result in being hidden, or banned."


Mesaĝoj en paĝo:
Listo de diskutaj forumoj
Vi ne rajtas afiŝi mesaĝojn en ĉi tiu forumo. La minimuma necesa nivelo de la membreco por afiŝi mesaĝojn en ĉi tiu forumo estas Brain-Peono.
Moduso: Ĉiu rajtas sendi
Serĉi en mesaĝoj:  

<< <   217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226   > >>
25. Oktobro 2010, 22:32:52
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: Spin this one!
Artful Dodger: Transparent government... now that was another election pledge. Do any remain unbroken?

He was voted in that way, i.e. with a past no one knew much about. However, the problem with such questions (once in power) is that they are attributed to celebrities. That is, people and media are interested in who they are, where they are going, what they are wearing etc. etc. This is well known by the PR sector and can be used deliberately as a ploy to distract away from the real issues.

25. Oktobro 2010, 22:41:02
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: With a velvet glove, this is a very dangerous combination, does one thing, says another.
(V): Sadly this true, but not just of the US.

The US has such a large economic influence on the rest of the world, the policy and legislation that we end up with (I say 'we' as it impacts us all, not just US citizens) simply please the few (global organisations) and hurt the many.

25. Oktobro 2010, 23:05:38
The Col 
Temo: Re:who's words?
Artful Dodger: P. J. O'Rourke, the person you quoted.Are these questions too complicated for you?

25. Oktobro 2010, 23:23:09
Mort 
Temo: Re: he policy and legislation that we end up with (I say 'we' as it impacts us all, not just US citizens) simply please the few (global organisations)
SL-Mark: Aye.. One sore point over banks and the signing of a declaration they will stop helping tax avoidance.

... only a few signed up... now they are being told they must sign by a certain date.

26. Oktobro 2010, 00:56:59
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: he policy and legislation that we end up with (I say 'we' as it impacts us all, not just US citizens) simply please the few (global organisations)
(V): Yes, a demand made by the G20 last year. Agreement has been made with Liechtenstein, tax on interest expected to raise £1bn for UK coffers. Negotiations currently in progress with others and the Swiss. The latter will be an even bigger contribution!

Difficulty is that the world of offshore banking is huge, and new loop holes will be found.

26. Oktobro 2010, 13:41:16
The Col 
Identified? Right Nation Protester?
Andrew Breitbart ‘Gay’? finally a redeeming quality

26. Oktobro 2010, 16:00:10
Mort 
Temo: Re:
Artful Dodger: what they found is "chemical weapons".. from various reports it looks like small munitions rather than 'WMD's' .... mustard gas. An old throwback to WWI and trench warfare.

26. Oktobro 2010, 22:40:46
The Col 
Temo: Re:they meant it as gay bashing
Artful Dodger: What are you talking about

26. Oktobro 2010, 23:00:40
The Col 
Temo: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman

27. Oktobro 2010, 00:37:19
Bernice 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
The Col: ****I'm sure there is a valid excuse ****

there sure is.....THEY ARE GUTLESS MORONS

27. Oktobro 2010, 01:07:53
The Col 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Bernice: Another good example of why news commentators need to tone down the discourse a few notches

27. Oktobro 2010, 01:41:57
Bernice 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
The Col: BULL---T, what has news commentators got to do with wankers beating the living daylight out of someone, especially a female. What if it was your wife or GF? How would you feel then? Oh I forgot.......that wouldn't happen.

27. Oktobro 2010, 02:09:04
Mort 
Modifita de Mort (27. Oktobro 2010, 02:12:45)
WikiLeaks Documents Confirm Pentagon Knew of Civilian Death Toll and Torture in Iraq

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/wikileaks-documents-confirm-pentagon-knew-

"I mean, the reality is that what the WikiLeaks documents show about Blackwater is that the State Department knew that Blackwater was killing civilians while guarding U.S. government personnel, and actually didn`t do anything to discipline them or punish them because, according to an internal document, the State Department believed that it would hurt morale of Blackwater.

What about hurting morale of the Iraqi people that were being targeted by these people? So Hamid Karzai is under the misimpression that he is in charge here. The U.S. is calling the shots and that means that Blackwater stays.

OLBERMANN: Let`s work backwards on some of this. Based on the reporting at the time, many of us believe that the Bush administration was lying about the situation on the ground in Iraq daily, repeatedly, in manifold ways. Is there criminality involved in what we know about this, what`s been confirmed about this so far?

SCAHILL: Well, first of all, the entirely operation was a criminal enterprise because it was a war based on lies. There were scores of war crimes that have gone unprosecuted. But it goes much further than just lying or misleading. Donald Rumsfeld, when he was secretary of defense, beginning in 2005, implemented a policy in Iraq known as the Salvador Option, named after the dirty wars in El Salvador that the U.S. fueled in the 1980s. And What Rumsfeld and his cohorts were doing was supporting what were effectively Shiite death squads, known by the names Wolf Brigade, Scorpion Brigade.

What they did was ethnically cleanse Baghdad. They targeted the Sunnis. So when they talk about the surge being a success, what actually happened is that Rumsfeld and his cronies had supported death squad activity that essentially Balkanized Baghdad.
And so when the surge troops came in, they didn`t even go to Anbar Province, which was the heart of the violence. They went to Baghdad.

The entire thing is a lie, but the criminality here is that the U.S., under Rumsfeld, was supporting and creating death squads, Keith."

27. Oktobro 2010, 06:29:14
The Col 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Bernice: The heat has been turned up on both sides by commentators on cable news, in my opinion.You have me stumped regarding the last part of your response.The incident sickens me,the headline of the post was intended to be sarcastic

27. Oktobro 2010, 06:41:36
The Col 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Artful Dodger: you're cute when you get all freedom of speechy

27. Oktobro 2010, 06:46:54
The Col 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Artful Dodger: now go get me a beer sugar

27. Oktobro 2010, 13:38:29
Bwild 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Artful Dodger: Free Speech is treasured here.....
as long as it doesnt offend,insult,persecute,and is considered politically correct.

27. Oktobro 2010, 23:43:47
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Tuesday: Huh? Freedom of speech is a civil right.

28. Oktobro 2010, 00:22:41
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: I'm sure there is a valid excuse for these men attacking this woman
Artful Dodger: Yes, and the 'left' as Tuesday calls them, is violating your civil liberties in the name of civil rights.

28. Oktobro 2010, 00:56:07
SL-Mark 
Temo: Civil
Infact, one might postulate that the right is the defender of civil liberties, whilst the left is the defender of civil rights.

28. Oktobro 2010, 01:44:33
Mort 
Freedom of speech is a civil right?? So why those involved in releasing video of war crimes facing prosecution????

28. Oktobro 2010, 08:24:44
The Col 
Temo: 'White House seeks to remove Obama'

28. Oktobro 2010, 08:28:16
The Col 
Temo: 'Obama unlikely to last his first term'

28. Oktobro 2010, 10:26:28
Bernice 
Temo: Re: 'White House seeks to remove Obama'
The Col: now I don't know too much if anything about "that" side of the world.....but isn't that an Iranian news station, and wouldnt they be a bit biased?
But on the other hand they could be doing the world a favour.

28. Oktobro 2010, 10:27:07
Bernice 
Im just asking and not wanting the "know it alls " to pounce on me

28. Oktobro 2010, 10:49:55
SL-Mark 
Temo: Freedom of speech is a civil right??
(V): To what case are your specifically referring?

Civil rights and freedom of speech vary widely across the world, and indeed only imply a right.

Governments may have a very different interpretation of your rights under the banner of national interests.

28. Oktobro 2010, 13:39:11
Mort 
Temo: Re: Freedom of speech is a civil right??
SL-Mark: The guy who released the video of the reporters being killed in Iraq via a Apache gunship.

It seems real freedom of speech is an illusion.

28. Oktobro 2010, 23:41:51
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: Freedom of speech is a civil right??
(V): That is quite specific! The guy? Who are you referring to? Julian Assange perhaps?

Is there really a prosecution against him? Who is prosecuting, the US or the UK? If indeed there is any prosecution, it should be against the intelligence officer that leaked the material in the first place.

29. Oktobro 2010, 02:28:28
Bernice 
Temo: Re: Freedom of speech is a civil right??
SL-Mark: Julian Assange is from the city where I live...a very clever person when it comes to IT.

29. Oktobro 2010, 04:07:22
Pedro Martínez 
Has there been any update on the investigation into the murder of that guy who was walking home and was attacked by the police for no reason?

29. Oktobro 2010, 11:57:50
Mort 
Temo: Re:
Pedro Martínez: lots.

29. Oktobro 2010, 13:21:16
SL-Mark 
Temo: Re: Freedom of speech is a civil right??
Bernice: Townsville? It looks beautiful.
Is Magnetic Island really magnetic?

29. Oktobro 2010, 17:54:59
Mort 
Temo: Re: it should be against the intelligence officer that leaked the material in the first place.
SL-Mark: I was speaking about the intelligence officer as an example of how despite claims to the otherwise.. freedom of speech is an abstract idea. I still by my word till the day I die, am obliged not to divulged info regarding a project I worked on several years back through signing the Official secrets Act....

... even though by all accounts the sensitivity of any info I remember is almost obsolete by the nature of technical advances.

29. Oktobro 2010, 23:14:28
Bernice 
Temo: Re: Freedom of speech is a civil right??
SL-Mark: Yes it is beautiful, and Magnetic Island is Magnetic LOL....on account it draws you back over and over.....It was so named by Capt. Cook because as he sailed past his compasses went awry (according to historians)
It is a very hot/wet place in the summer and dry and hot in the winter. Gardens all die in the winter because of the dry winds and the heat ;(

30. Oktobro 2010, 17:01:01
Pedro Martínez 
Temo: Re:
(V): Good!

30. Oktobro 2010, 20:04:11
Mort 
Temo: Re: I love this headline!
Artful Dodger: I imagine the same way some Conservatives fill their head with nonsense.

30. Oktobro 2010, 20:06:46
Mort 
Temo: Re:
Pedro Martínez: The policeman is still suspended till the inquiry next year.

Yet.... there is a matter of forensics... some weird stuff going on this subject.

.... some a bit suspicious ....

30. Oktobro 2010, 20:23:05
Mort 
BP have been in the news again over the cement used to line the drill hole... Claims have been made through testing that the cement used was not upto standard and that both BP and Haliburton knew it. Also that certain tests to confirm the stability of said cement once in place were not done.

... The test is a basic safety test laid down in the "how to drill safely" manual.

31. Oktobro 2010, 00:04:39
Mort 
Temo: Re: one thing in common–they are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled.
Artful Dodger: ... The health care providers in the USA already think like this...

"If you add 30 million more people into a system with fewer resources how could you possibly avoid rationing?"

... everyone paying into the system.

"This will only further decrease the quality of healthcare when the 30 million more people enter the system."

.. so it's a case of lets leave 30 million without the same quality of healthcare as we get...... sounds like nimby talk!! A class system.

31. Oktobro 2010, 06:38:53
The Col 
Temo: soul food

31. Oktobro 2010, 10:14:06
Mort 
Temo: Re: one thing in common–they are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled.
Artful Dodger: .... ????? All the talk regarding the new healthcare system is that of the 40 million uninsured is that they will be able to have affordable insurance, so yes they WILL be able to contribute and by law (see 2014 new rules) WILL have to through state insurance exchanges or by paying a tax.

Also that right wing speech you posted neglects to talk about the practice of rescission that is in practice a "cancel coverage when you get sick" system.

... Did you not hear about Wellpoint and how they actively targetted women with breast cancer to find a way (via the small print) to cancel their health coverage?

31. Oktobro 2010, 23:32:15
Mort 
Temo: Re: one thing in common–they are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled.
Artful Dodger: It seems insurance rates have been going up for years above inflation. It appears looking there is more than just "Obamacare" being responsible.. maybe it's profit margins.. or that in the future the health companies can claim money from the government regarding rates.

As for private enterprise keeping prices down... why is it then the cost of getting to wind tunnel tests of the American version of Concorde cost via private contractors £1.5 billion.. yet the UK and French government built Concorde for £1.5 billion??

And (as you probably read) the running costs of the USA current system is giving you less actual care per dollar than our *cough* socialist (actually it's a mix of NHS/Private/Charitable) run system.

But such points you do not tend to address.

31. Oktobro 2010, 23:55:20
Mort 
And how does the American right wingers here stand on that sevral of USA health insurers are withdrawing child only health policies. How do you feel that Asthma is treated as a pre existing condition...


... how do you feel that this is a response to Children having a bill of rights which prevents health insurers refusing them treatment through pre-existing conditions?

1. Novembro 2010, 01:47:00
rod03801 
Temo: Re: one thing in common–they are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled.
(V): You don't address the REAL LIFE story I have mentioned at least twice. I guess it isn't convenient to your argument?

MY health insurance went up EIGHTY NINE percent. WELL above any increase in ANY other year.
I am now forced to have an absolute horrible policy that doesn't cover any major tests until I meet my $3000 deductible. And THIS horrible policy is close to a FIFTY PERCENT INCREASE over my old semi decent policy.

1. Novembro 2010, 01:50:30
rod03801 
Modifita de rod03801 (1. Novembro 2010, 01:51:28)
I can't wait for TUESDAY!!!!! And even more.. .I can't wait to see all the bummed out dems on Wednesday!

THOUGH, they better do a better job than they did before. Hopefully they have the message loud n clear of what most people want.

1. Novembro 2010, 03:41:38
Ferris Bueller 
Temo: Re: one thing in common–they are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled.
rod03801:  Most of Obamacare does not take effect until 2013.  Your rediculous rate increase likely has more to do with your greedy, unregulated insurance companies arbitrarily hiking up your policy and raising your deductable for an outrageous profit.  Obamacare is an easy smoke screen to cover their inexcusable greed.  

1. Novembro 2010, 04:16:19
rod03801 
Temo: Re: one thing in common–they are all isolated from day to day patient care; and therefore, are insulated from the real practice of the art of medicine. It makes it easy to see patients as a cost center to be controlled.
Ferris Bueller: wouldnt have happened withOUT obamacare though.

<< <   217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226   > >>
Dato kaj horindiko
Amikoj salutintaj
Favoritaj forumoj
Kunularoj
ĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŬŭ

Hodiaŭa konsilo
Copyright © 2002 - 2024 Filip Rachunek, ĉiuj rajtoj reservita.
Supren