"The no thinkers don't realise that reducing the number of bullets in a magazine only means that a killer intent on mass murder will need to take more magazines with him."

More reloading slows down the killing. More chance people will escape or be capable of taking the killer down.

Artful Dodger: Is their some relevance to such info? Suicides and murder being different things.

(V): Everytime there's a mass killing the phony politicians try to dismantle the 2nd amendment. It's not gonna happen.

In Japan: At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.

Akihabara massacre: At 12:33 p.m. JST, a man hit a crowd with a truck, eventually killing three people and injuring two; he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife[1]), killing four people and injuring eight.

Anyone can search the internet and find numerous examples of mass murders with weapons like knives, cars, trucks, axes, - you name it- !

True that a gun is easier to kill with. But so what? That's NOT the argument being put forth.

BTW, people who have been arguing FOR gun control, they have been responsible for the HUGE SURGE in gun sales across the US. More guns are being bought and sold than ever before. Not exactly what the left was hoping for. If they keep this up, more people will own guns than ever in the history of the US. People who have never shot a gun are buying one. And bullets are being sold like crazy. All thanks to the hype from the left.

So instead of limiting gun ownership the left has managed to create a situation where people are buying more guns than ever before. When they talk about banning a certain semi-automatic, that particular gun experiences record sales! Way to go lefties!!!!

And like I said, I don't own a gun. But I can knock you over with a deadly fart from ten feet.

This was in a gun control speech. But is Obama REALLY concerned about the life of EVEN ONE child?

...

Nowhere does State Sen. Barack Obama's greatest achievement in Springfield get attention these days. But he made it his business to take a stand on Illinois' Infant Born-Alive Protection Act. On many controversial matters, he voted "Present," but on this one bill, he led the effort to kill the measure.

That bill would have required protection for a child born alive following an unsuccessful attempt to kill it through abortion. The bill was intended to protect newborns like those cradled and comforted by Chicago nurse Jill Stanek. Nurse Stanek was horrified to learn that some premature infants born alive had been placed in a dirty laundry closet to gasp out their young lives. Jill Stanek rocked them and sang to these poor little ones as their young lives ebbed away.

Now, when State Sen. Obama killed that measure, it was a most doubtful constitutional matter. The Fourteenth Amendment was passed in 1868, shortly after President Lincoln had succeeded in freeing the slaves through his Emancipation Proclamation, and just three years after the Thirteenth Amendment formally abolished slavery throughout America.

Why would the Fourteenth Amendment be necessary? Because some states were still denying "the equal protection of the laws" to freedmen and women. This amendment stated that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Barack Obama was a teacher of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Surely, he had read the text of one of the most important of Civil War Reconstruction Amendments.

And yet, he voted to deny equal protection of the law to infants born in the United States.

He led the fight to strip the citizenship rights of these children born in Illinois.

So, for Barack Obama, abortion through the entire nine months of pregnancy is not enough. The lives of children already born must be pursued. The license of abortion he defends would extend to the right to a dead child.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/losing_lincolns_legacy.html#ixzz2KhQPPTwh
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How many people are YOU willing to let die so you don't violate your expressed values?

And do any of you on the left see the conflict in opposing waterboarding (Obama opposes it) BUT favoring killing suspected terrorists without a trial of any kind? (Obama supports killing suspected terrorists but not waterboarding them)

So lets see if I have this straight:
Waterboarding is bad.
Killing (it's an assination) is good.

Where is the outcry lefties?

*crickets*

Artful Dodger: No... That's how the gun lobbyists see it. N' of course no one is going to end the 2nd amendment.


"Anyone can search the internet and find numerous examples of mass murders with weapons like knives, cars, trucks, axes, - you name it- "

Yes, but I stated before... a gun does make it easier to kill more people.

""True that a gun is easier to kill with. But so what? That's NOT the argument being put forth.""

It is part of my argument.

"If they keep this up, more people will own guns than ever in the history of the US. People who have never shot a gun are buying one. And bullets are being sold like crazy. All thanks to the hype from the left."

All the hype from the left, no-one else... like the NRA and right wing fear/love the gun promoters.

" When they talk about banning a certain semi-automatic, that particular gun experiences record sales! Way to go lefties"

Why is it always the lefts' fault? I've seen people who treat guns as a tool.. hunting, etc.. state this love of guns is .... .... nutz

"Nurse Stanek was horrified to learn that some premature infants born alive had been placed in a dirty laundry closet to gasp out their young lives. Jill Stanek rocked them and sang to these poor little ones as their young lives ebbed away."

And the hospital/clinic has not been put under investigation? It's a blame it on Obama moment?

"And do any of you on the left see the conflict in opposing waterboarding (Obama opposes it) BUT favoring killing suspected terrorists without a trial of any kind? (Obama supports killing suspected terrorists but not waterboarding them)"

Killing in battle, killing them because they are in a place they shouldn't be.

So many no real meaning bits....

American Thinker is not very lucid. ;)

(V): [ "If they keep this up, more people will own guns than ever in the history of the US. People who have never shot a gun are buying one. And bullets are being sold like crazy. All thanks to the hype from the left."

All the hype from the left, no-one else... like the NRA and right wing fear/love the gun promoters. ]


Membership in the NRA grew by a quarter of a million people in the month following the massacre of innocent school children... it had nothing to do with the NRA promoting anything. It was a reaction by people who were horrified by the mass murdering of children, but it was also prompted by the Presidents lame efforts to captalize on this tragedy. It's bad enough that it happened, but the President unwittingly fanned the flames of indignation by trying to use it to promote one of his political agendas. So once again, you underestimate the "unwashed masses" ability to think for themselves.

Iamon lyme: No... I was commentating that the NRA and pro gun groups have been just as vocal as the anti gun groups.

"Membership in the NRA grew by a quarter of a million people in the month following the massacre of innocent school children... it had nothing to do with the NRA promoting anything. It was a reaction by people who were horrified by the mass murdering of children"

A knee jerk reaction by people who are horrified it could happen to their children. I get that, I get people joining the NRA... 250K over the whole country... ok. The NRA have been defending the 2nd amendment. Some pro gunners tried to get Piers Morgan deported. It's been in the news!!

...promoting the 2nd is nothing? Saying assault rifles are normal is nothing??

Dude..... don't make me dude you!! as in Basketball duding ;P

(V): "I've seen people who treat guns as a tool.. hunting, etc"

I've heard people on the left who believe the 2nd amendment addresses the right to hunt. Seriously, is loving ridiculous rhetoric any less nutz than someone 'loving' their gun? The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with people obtaining food for their families. Granted, today it's more of a luxury than a necessity, but does anyone really believe a right to gather food for themselves (hunting) would need to be included in any list of rights?

The 1st and 2nd amendments appear first and second on the list... they were not afterthoughts. To suggest the second amendment had anything to do with a right to hunt is tantamount to assuming it addresses the right to eat... ?

It was assumed that weapons would be used for hunting, so I doubt it occured to anyone back then to include a right to obtaining groceries in the constitution.

Iamon lyme: I guess you get annoyed by silly left wing just like I get annoyed by silly left and right wing stuff. Of course the 2nd was not about the right to hunt... that was just how it was back then, people hunted game... as they do still now. N' no it in some places is a necessity. People make a living out of it.

..... dude

Now... it appears to places in the UK could have deliberately processed horse meat for use in food products in the UK.

The Romanian PM is angry abattoirs in Romania have been linked to supplies of horse meat. Romanians are unhappy that horse and buggy's are banned from the roads.

... It's not the horse meat that is the real problem... but certain items given to horses that is not good for humans.

(V): "Some pro gunners tried to get Piers Morgan deported. It's been in the news!!"

If Piers Morgan is the dude I think you are talking about (I think he was a judge on a talent show in the US) then I won't interfere with anyones effort to deport him.

And the Gov'nment has been spanked over back to work schemes that are unpaid.

Not that people do not want to work... but if they are willing to work as a volunteer at a local museum for free... it does not mean they will work for Poundland for free under a scheme known as the "sector-based work academy".

... to ask a person to work 30 hours a week for six months in a "Community Action Programme" for free.

A mate of mine in the past use to get extra to take into account of his expenses for doing a degree via the OU... 20 odd years ago that was £10. It use to be part time workers on obtaining a full time job would get a lump sum based on a 50/50 split of the money the social deducted from any benefits to make the jump to full from part time easier.

... kinda covered any travelling expenses, etc till that first pay check.

Iamon lyme: No way!!!! He's your problem now. We don't want him.

HA HA HA.... we tricked your tv people into signing him up, payback for the tea party!!!

lol

(V): If only I believed Morgan was sincere, and his gun assault wasn't just a desperate attempt at being noticed/ratings

The Col: He did a series of 'life stories' where he gets to interview celebs on a one to one basis, aka PR stunt for the celeb... he only got religion after he started working in the US. He lied regarding the phone hacking and his involvement, wouldn't even come back to the UK to lie face to face.

He's as sincere as a fake tan.

(V): It's mostly the hype from the left that's driving the gun debate. The gun lobby is simply answering the critics. There are bigger problems that the US is facing and those problems are being ignored. It's all political. The politicians don't care about dead kids. Example: Chicago and Detroit.

(V): "No way!!!! He's your problem now."

Aha, I knew it! But other than being an annoying prig what did he do? On what grounds is anyone saying he should be deported?

Sharon Osbourne is okay, she can stay. Howie Mandel is Canadian but I don't hold that against him, so he can stay too.

(V): Maybe we can work out a trade. You got any US citizens over there you don't want?

from The Telegraph

"Earlier this week Morgan invited radio host Alex Jones, a gun advocate, onto his show. Mr Jones, who claims that the US government was involved in the September 11 terror attacks, repeatedly screamed at Mr Morgan and went on several incoherent rants in which he blamed "suicide pills" for gun violence."

Okay, so Morgan went out of his way to get the nuttiest guest he could find for that interview... no big surprise. So what's next for Morgan, finding someone who blames the September 11 terror attacks on aliens from outer space? If Morgan wants to conduct his program like a trashy tabloid rag, then what's the big deal? Most of the major news shows have sunk to that level anyway, so as far as prevailing standards of newscasting go he hasn't actually broken any taboos.

Iamon lyme: lol and I've never listened to jones. No one I know takes him seriously except Jesse Ventura.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/

But "the left" is still crazy


http://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2013/02/10/the-truth-about-dorner-leftism-is-violence/

Artful Dodger: I've never even heard of the guy until V mentioned him... but now I know why V mentioned him. I should have known it meant something, but the truth is most of the time I don't care. I don't follow a story just because "It's been in the news!!" Good grief... I have nothing but time on my hands, but that doesn't mean I want to waste any of it on goofy news stories.

Iamon lyme: Alex is a bit of an over the top nut. That's why Morgan picked him. Ratings. Nutty people sell.

Artful Dodger: Dorner claimed his termination was unfair, then went and proved to everyone there was probably justification for his termination.

Iamon lyme: yeah. People get fired but don't kill innocent people. What a sick jerk. He's in hell now probably.

Artful Dodger: dude .. that line is so old... it makes you look young!!

" The politicians don't care about dead kids. Example: Chicago and Detroit."

What about Texas.. One of the worst states in the US for child deaths and abuse.

Iamon lyme: I'm sure there are, but the trade is just not worth it. eheheheh

Artful Dodger: I guess this pjmedia lot rely on preconceived right wing hysteria alot then!!

(V): Ahhh, PJ media is great. BTW, did you hear any feedback on Obama's State of Confusion speech?

Iamon lyme: cow farts!

Artful Dodger: Just watch, the next news story could say something like 'Farting causes painful asteroids.'

Iamon lyme:

Iamon lyme: they'll have to send a "probe."

Artful Dodger: Their greatness is a relative view. When they play on stereotyping.. then they are not so great... tabloid'ish.

I didn't listen to his speech or really read anything much about it. Speeches are speeches, UK politicians do them all the time and say nothing in the process. More is said in the ignoring of questions asked.

eg "are people going to be better off in 2 years"... reply .. "we've lowered income tax"

no yes... no no, despite figures saying no from officially recognised analysts.

Iamon lyme: nooo.... it causes comets.

The guy should be "Archie'd" for making such a dumb comment... aka sent back to school!!

(V): "The guy should be "Archie'd" for making such a dumb comment... aka sent back to school!!"

The guy was a gal, and sending her back to school wouldn't help. Chances are she graduated from a liberal university... 'nough said.

"nooo.... it causes comets."

Hey, if an asteroid slammed into your home with so much force it caused you to disappear into a black hole, then yes, that would be VERY painful. And humiliating. We are talking maybe science here, ya know...

(V): Isn't that the truth! I get tired of the speeches on both sides.

(V): first waterboarded and THEN Archie'd ;)

Then a "Swirlie" for good measure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLsFBQF8ru0

2011: 323 People lost their lives to rifles that includes assault type weapons.

But

496 people were killed by hammers and clubs.

Hint: Since the debate in the US centers around the assault rifle, why aren't they including in the debate hammers and guns???

Because they are all liars and morons. :)

If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning....

If I had a club, I wouldn't let girls join.

~Emil du Bois-Reymond, promulgator of the maxim ignoramus et ignorabimus.The Latin maxim ignoramus et ignorabimus, meaning "we do not know and will not know", stood for a position on the limits of scientific knowledge, in the thought of the nineteenth century. It was given credibility by Emil du Bois-Reymond, a German physiologist, in his Über die Grenzen des Naturerkennens ("On the limits of our understanding of nature") of 1872.~

Artful Dodger: I saw a newsline that said "meteor not related to passing asteriod." So apparently it's just a coincidence...

... ?

Iamon lyme: ooooOOOOoooo ... One could say the same about graduating from a conservative university.... but are they to be blamed for her saying dumb things... production team?? A HaNgOvEr????

... I just saw the statement not what sex they were.

"Hey, if an asteroid slammed into your home with so much force it caused you to disappear into a black hole, then yes, that would be VERY painful. And humiliating."

Not painful, death would be instantaneous.. more humiliating for the doomsday preppers, that such an asteroid could cause a black hole suggests a very dense object like a bit of a stars core...

.... I'd be watching going "Jesus" ... beats the CGI from "2012".

Artful Dodger: No. you are splitting hairs. Guns are built for killing. Hammers and clubs may have other purposes.

You wouldn't use your assault rifle as a lever for jacking up your car would you.

(V): ". Guns are built for killing. Hammers and clubs may have other purposes."
guns do kill WHEN FIRED BY HUMANS....but their purposes are varied. sharp shooting is an Olympic event,hunting,plinking,protection,the list goes on.
a pistol makes a good hammer in a pinch.