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Temo: Re: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector

Artful Dodger: Dude, why does it always end up getting into personal jabs with you?

5. Marto 2010, 23:23:31

Pedro Martínez

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Temo: Re: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector

Artful Dodger: Don't envy, old man. There is still the Third Age University for you to go too!

5. Marto 2010, 23:34:56

rod03801

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This is not directed at any ONE person, but this needs to be done without getting personal. We ALL already know this.

Thanks in advance.

5. Marto 2010, 23:45:10

rod03801

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Temo: Re:

Artful Dodger: This won't be debated on the board, thanks. People are calling each other stupid. It's not necessary to talk about politics with this sort of thing.

5. Marto 2010, 23:46:45

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Temo: Re: Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

(V): & "Red Dawn". LOL Those obsessions did not end w/ the end of the Cold War. In the US, some people are scared of any gov't services for fear that it will lead to Soviet style Communism. A lot of it is great theater put on by the right & insurance cos, like pro wrestling - especially those fake thugs at town hall meetings this summer & the "Tea Parties". But, it does little to help political dialog. I think real HC reform will come one day in this country once this facade is peeled away.

Just got one of those "push" telephone calls from the far right - trying to scare me about Obama's HC plan. It would be hilarious if so many people didn't buy into that kind of crap. I get to see the right & all its glory living in South Carolina, LOL.

Funny thing is, they are now laying off teachers & eliminating services to the Handicapped in full force in this state. Parents are now having take care of those family members with severe mental retardation at home. The average citizen is in an uproar, but they voted for Mark Sanford twice. Aside from his little tryst in Argentina, he's tried to block all Federal Funds from comming into this state, mainly because he wanted to show up Obama. Now, even Republicans here are in an Uproar.

6. Marto 2010, 00:19:26

Snoopy

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Temo: Re:knife crime

(V): but my point is
you can run has many knife amnesty has you want
it DOSN'T mean they work
its a very sore point for me right now has a school friends sister was knifed to death last year and the court case is running now

6. Marto 2010, 00:23:38

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Temo: Re:

Artful Dodger: It may surprise you, but I'm not an avid reader of this board,I only pop in periodically.So making an assumption that I'm well read on your(or anyone elses) overall philosophy is not accurate.Would you like to send me a bio?

6. Marto 2010, 01:14:43

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Temo: Re:

Artful Dodger:The word " Ignorance" is one thing, but the word "Ignorant" is personal and is not needed

6. Marto 2010, 02:20:38

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Temo: Declare yourself the winner.

Artful Dodger: All sides "declare themselves" the winner. Does anyone really "win" such debates? It's all about who is spinning it. No one is going to admit they "lost" a debate.

6. Marto 2010, 06:06:21

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/latest_sarah_palin_speech_opens

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Temo: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".

You can be the judge.

6. Marto 2010, 06:56:58

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Temo: Re: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".

Ferris Bueller: The Michael Moore movie being endorsed by the Huffington Post right above it says it all

6. Marto 2010, 08:06:44

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Temo: Re:

Artful Dodger: So you're saying you like to dish it out but not take it?

6. Marto 2010, 08:38:38

tyyy

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Really? the Onion? why not National Lampoon or mad magazine?

6. Marto 2010, 08:58:32

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Temo: Re: global warming "deniers"

Artful Dodger: You state, "the global warming scenario is hype and is not supported fully by the science. " That's what the tobacco industry sd. about smoking going back to the 40s & 50s. They had "scientist" on their payroll to back up their false claims also. The big oil cos. have their "scientist" to deny there is any such thing as man-made global warming.

6. Marto 2010, 09:01:32

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Temo: Re:

Artful Dodger: you make it personal,there's no need, it kills a good discussion

6. Marto 2010, 09:02:45

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion

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Temo: Re: The Onion

GTCharlie: I was wondering how long it would take for someone to catch on to that.

It's like The Dailey Show - meant to be political satire, but some truth behind it.

6. Marto 2010, 16:06:19

Mort

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Temo: Re: And you do seem to be saying that you don't mind being ripped off by business.

Artful Dodger: My point was that there are those in business and in government who can and do rip joe public off. You hark on about government like no other organisation apart from government has corruption or abuse joe public.

I've seen government, business and charities who have been caught red handed with their hands in the coffers.

You point out that your current medical system is not right.. well then, it is the private businesses at the moment who are ripping the whole of the USA off. To say "we cannot use a government run system because it is socialist" is at best a loose use of the word socialist and IMHO a very strained stereotype of "better dead than red" old cold war rubbish.

6. Marto 2010, 16:16:12

Mort

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Temo: Re: Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

Ferris Bueller: Thing is... we have a Conservative party and they are all for our NHS, the current leader of the party praises what the NHS did for him and his family.

This right wing attitude of "SoCiAliSm is bad and anti American" is nuts. Using it to justify allowing harm, fraud and a crazy system with more knots in it than a 1000 foot long rope ladder is not democratic.

6. Marto 2010, 16:20:13

Mort

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Temo: Re: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".

Ferris Bueller: She has ideas! Most UK people thought it was scary that she might get to be President of the USA.. in the same league as Nick Griffin becoming PM!! ;)

6. Marto 2010, 18:27:42

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Temo: Re:you make it personal,there's no need, it kills a good discussion

Artful Dodger: I'm a sniper? because I don't post here daily? I state my opinions on topics of interest, that's good enough for me.I wasn't aware you were the judge of what qualifies,amp it down a bit

6. Marto 2010, 18:53:34

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Temo: Re:you make it personal,there's no need, it kills a good discussion

Artful Dodger: "figures"?

I think you need to take a chill pill bud, nobody is here in the hopes of measuring up to your opinions,at least not me

6. Marto 2010, 19:09:34

Mort

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Temo: Re: Obama and his teleprompter

Artful Dodger: Sorry to inform you, but teleprompters have been around for some time... they are not new news. I would have thought you'd heard of them, but I guess sometimes we can miss the introduction of new tech.. and the after effects in oops tv clips!! ;)

6. Marto 2010, 19:21:28

Mort

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Artful Dodger: I'm sorry Art, but I like to balanced. The attitude you give off when sniping at Obama and anything not Republican or American Conservative is that everyone else has horns and your 'guys' have halo's and are at the right hand of the I AM.

That Obama and liberal minded people invented fraud....

.... Very old British records of army spending show kings in the past concerned over how each penny is spent, long before socialism (apart from some talk by some guy called Jesus and others of his ilk) was ever invented as an economic concept.

I guess the merchants back then liked profit!!

6. Marto 2010, 19:23:42

Mort

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to be balanced....

6. Marto 2010, 21:23:25

Mort

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Artful Dodger: I can back up from your posts that you hark on about government fraud than any other type, anyone can see that!! ;)

I can back up from your posts that you think a government based health system is akin to having your feet licked by sheep (an old toture system) .. yet I can also say that a government based system is more accountable to joe public than your current health companies are. Which is something you need in the USA.

I can also say that a recent case of a paramedic denying to resusitate (sp) a man in the UK because he was by opinion... thought to be too fat is a crime. In the USA I've heard people denied treatment over stupid reasons such as "you didn't tick a box".

I know our NHS is not perfect, but as always the option to have private healthcare from national companies is available to those who wish to pay for it. As I said national.. no county to county rubbish... state to state to those in the USA.

Greed is a human thing, one of the seven deadly sins ain't it ;)

6. Marto 2010, 23:00:54

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Modifita de Vikings (6. Marto 2010, 23:01:33)

(V): Name one American government system other than the military that is run efficiently

6. Marto 2010, 23:14:34

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Temo: Re: global warming "deniers"

Artful Dodger: You state unequivically that "One fact is that there has not been any warming since 1998." Your so big on everyone who disagrees with you backing up their assertions. Where did you get that one from?

7. Marto 2010, 00:12:16

Mort

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Vikings: The FBI have pretty good record, NASA went to the moon. Your police works, taxes seem to be collected.

.. depends on what you classify as efficient. With respect in employment about 95% is efficient.

How are your bank's bonuses this year?

7. Marto 2010, 00:25:33

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Modifita de Vikings (7. Marto 2010, 00:26:45)

(V): well, lets answer these, shall we
The FBI, do you remember a thing called 9-11, the FBI and other law agencies refused to share information and I don't think I have to remind you what happened, real efficient
NASA, just this week they have scrapped the moon missions, but they are not scrapping the money that has been appropriated for it, now the head of NASA is in bed with the global warming bunkist.
police, well that is a local issue not a federal issue
taxes, funny how you seem to forget that many of the administration have evaded paying their taxes including the secretary of the Treasury, oh yea , have you ever tried reading a tax code

I am still waiting for a legitimate answer

7. Marto 2010, 00:28:59

Pedro Martínez

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Vikings: Let me add that the justice system is at the very bottom of the list of the ineffective U.S. “government-run” systems.

7. Marto 2010, 00:30:37

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Temo: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?

Pedro Martínez: agreed, especially when it comes to federal judges

7. Marto 2010, 00:31:47