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24. Julio 2010, 06:55:32
Papa Zoom 
What would you on the left say to a concerted effort, on the part of the Right, to pass legislation that shuts down far left leaning blogs, cable, and networks?

24. Julio 2010, 06:58:02
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: That's what the left is trying to do. It's not the first time. Here's a sample:

CNN Anchor to Shirley Sherrod: Would you like to see [Andrew Breitbart's] site to be shut down?
Shirley Sherrod: “That would be a great thing. Because I don’t see how that advances us in this country.”

Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA on JournoList: “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull [Fox's'] broadcasting permit once it expires?”

24. Julio 2010, 07:00:48
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: Prove it.

24. Julio 2010, 07:05:25
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: That's not proof. Why make a statement like that if you can't demonstrate that it's true. That's just being irresponsible.

24. Julio 2010, 07:08:37
Papa Zoom 
Democrat Senator Seeks To Shut Down Talk Radio (video)

This sort of thing should frighten you on the Left.  If the Left can do it, what will you say when the Conservatives retake power (and they will) and they do it to liberal talk radio/blogs/tv/cable etc.

24. Julio 2010, 07:10:28
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: It's irresponsible to talk that way.  You can't back it up.  You are making a statement as if it's fact and  hiding behind "it's just my opinion."

Show where they are causing riots.  I'll wait.



24. Julio 2010, 07:11:52
ScarletRose 
Temo: Re:
Artful Dodger:  Don't you know that the world is to come to an end anyway on Dec 23, 2012?? LOL



24. Julio 2010, 07:17:54
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday:<span>Show where Fox News has caused riots.  I'll wait.   

24. Julio 2010, 07:21:18
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday:  Thought that was empty.  

24. Julio 2010, 07:24:39
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday:  No comment.

24. Julio 2010, 07:33:19
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: Not my thing. I'd be terrible at it. There's a saying: Grow where you're planted. That's what I'm doing.

24. Julio 2010, 07:34:06
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: So can you even name ONE riot that Fox is responsible for starting??? hmmmmmm???

24. Julio 2010, 07:45:51
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: Since you can't name a single riot, it's fair to say that you made a false statement.

It's fine if one disagrees with Fox. But the left is currently falsely accusing Fox of being racist (they love playing that card - but that's because they can't beat Fox honestly). Disagree, but don't lower yourself to making false claims.

24. Julio 2010, 07:49:12
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: Oh, so now you're a mind reader? You can read the secret motives of others? Is this a liberal skill or just one you possess on your own?

24. Julio 2010, 07:53:05
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: You'll have to stand in line. There are others that have expressed that same view.

Early morning appointment and need my beauty sleep

24. Julio 2010, 10:11:55
Ferris Bueller 
Fox is irresponsible & they play on people's fears.  However, this time I agree with Dan.  Pulling their license only opens the floodgates to censorship.

24. Julio 2010, 10:39:41
Ferris Bueller 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday: There certainly is a lot of misleading from the right and a lot of unstable people out there.  But, I think censureship is a knee-jerk reaction that could have dire consequences.

24. Julio 2010, 11:12:48
Ferris Bueller 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday:   Believe me, I can understand the temptation to get some of those wackos off the air.  It hit very close to home with me when the Unitarian church in TN was shot up a couple of years back.  The perpetrator justified his actions by claiming it was his duty to kill liberals.  His home was full of propaganda from people like Limbaugh, Beck and other right wing idealogues.  I'm a member of this denomination in SC.  The minister in TN formerly was our minister.  I, therefore, have nothing but contempt for what these types represent and their rhetoric.  But, I've seen people on the left blogisphere who can be scary also.  I'm not sure how healthy all of this so called 24/7 news cycle really is, but I'll admit, I don't have many answers except to turn off the TV.

24. Julio 2010, 12:09:48
Mort 
Temo: Re:
Ferris Bueller: Maybe you need some UK style regulation. Sometimes here a channel over steps the mark. If the complaint to the regulators is upheld then the channel has to broadcast an apology.

24. Julio 2010, 12:12:51
Mort 
Temo: Re: values aren’t toxic, and that’s emotionalism, lies, or both.
Artful Dodger: I thought that was what you cons were doing. As well as using the race card. N' if you disagree... PROVE IT!!!

24. Julio 2010, 18:46:06
Ferris Bueller 
Temo: Re:
(V):   They'll know just where the line is, circumvent it, push the envelope, but not go over.  Besides, the current court system here would consider such regulation to be a violation of free speech.  But, I agree w/ u, there probably should be abridement to hate speech.

24. Julio 2010, 22:06:43
Mort 
Temo: Re:
Ferris Bueller: I don't consider free speech free, if it is used to spread hate and fear. The ideology behind free speech was on people being Ladies and Gentlemen and of people having honour.

Andrew Breitbart from what I've seen is neither a gentleman or honourable. Those that are.. ought to have redress available without lengthy court proceedings.

24. Julio 2010, 23:34:46
Ferris Bueller 
Temo: Re:

(V) & Tuesday:  Breightbart might can be sued for liable here, but I don't know if there is any precedent for that in the blogisphere.  We don't really have total freedom of speech in the US.  You can be fired from your livelihood based on what you say, etc.  Free speech should be responsible speech, but who decides what is responsible speech? 


Personally, I think telling your listeners that liberals are cock roaches who must be killed is like screaming fire in a theater.  Yes, the person who decides to act in this manner is ultimately the guilty party but the radical radio personality encouraged it.  Its a difficult issue though.  Could turn into a slippery slope where the gov't could take over freedom of speech.


25. Julio 2010, 00:25:41
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:
Ferris Bueller: who sail that liberals are cockroaches and must be killed?

25. Julio 2010, 00:29:41
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:Freedom of speech should not be abused or cause harm, spread fear, used to spread hate.
Tuesday: who gets to decide what causes harm (your comments earlier caused me emotional harm) and what does spreading fear look like? Who decides that? Conservatives? What makes something qualify as "hate?" How do you define it in objective terma?

25. Julio 2010, 01:50:05
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Re:Freedom of speech should not be abused or cause harm, spread fear, used to spread hate.
Tuesday: Don't miss the larger point. You don't want the wrong people deciding for you what is and isn't acceptable speech.

25. Julio 2010, 06:47:47
Papa Zoom 
Temo: Here's a list of names of the knuckleheads that conspired to shape the news.
They are ALL from the Left.

1. Spencer Ackerman - Wired, FireDogLake, Washington
Independent, Talking Points Memo, The American Prospect
2. Ben Adler - Newsweek, POLITICO
3. Mike Allen - POLITICO
4. Eric Alterman - The Nation, Media Matters for America
5. Marc Ambinder - The Atlantic
6. Greg Anrig - The Century Foundation
7. Ryan Avent - Economist
8. Dean Baker - The American Prospect
9. Nick Baumann - Mother Jones
10. Josh Bearman - LA Weekly
11. Steven Benen - The Carpetbagger Report
12. Jared Bernstein - Economic Policy Institute
13. Michael Berube - Crooked Timber (blog), Pennsylvania State University
14. Lindsay Beyerstein - (blogger)
15. Joel Bleifuss - In These Times
16. John Blevins - South Texas College of Law
17. Sam Boyd - The American Prospect
18. Rich Byrne - Playwright and freelancer
19. Ta-Nehisi Coates - The Atlantic
20. Jonathan Chait - The New Republic
21. Lakshmi Chaudry - In These Times
22. Isaac Chotiner - The New Republic
23. Michael Cohen - New America Foundation
24. Jonathan Cohn - The New Republic
25. Joe Conason - The New York Observer
26. David Corn - Mother Jones
27. Daniel Davies - The Guardian
28. David Dayen - FireDogLake
29. Brad DeLong - The Economists' Voice, University of California at Berkley
30. Ryan Donmoyer - Bloomberg
31. Kevin Drum - Washington Monthly
32. Matt Duss - Center for American Progress
33. Eve Fairbanks - The New Republic
34. Henry Farrell - George Washington University
35. Tim Fernholz - American Prospect
36. James Galbraith - University of Texas at Austin (professor)
37. Todd Gitlin - Columbia University
38. Ilan Goldenberg - National Security Network
39. Dana Goldstein - The Daily Beast
40. Merrill Goozner - Chicago Tribune
41. David Greenberg - Slate
42. Robert Greenwald - Brave New Films
43. Chris Hayes - The Nation
44. Don Hazen - Alternet
45. Michael Hirsh - Newsweek
46. John Judis - The New Republic, The American Prospect
47. Michael Kazin - Georgetown University (law professor)
48. Ed Kilgore - Democratic Stategist
49. Richard Kim - The Nation
50. Mark Kleiman - The Reality Based Community
51. Ezra Klein - Washington Post, Newsweek, The American Prospect
52. Joe Klein - TIME
53. Paul Krugman - The New York Times, Princeton University
54. Lisa Lerer - POLITICO
55. Daniel Levy - Century Foundation
56. Alec McGillis - Washington Post
57. Scott McLemee - Inside Higher Ed
58. Ari Melber - The Nation
59. Seth Michaels - MyDD.com
60. Luke Mitchell - Harper's Magazine
61. Gautham Nagesh - The Hill, Daily Caller
62. Suzanne Nossel - Human Rights Watch
63. Michael O'Hare - University of California, Berkeley
64. Rick Perlstein - Author, Campaign for America's Future
65. Harold Pollack - University of Chicago
66. Foster Kamer - The Village Voice
67. Katha Pollitt - The Nation
68. Ari Rabin-Havt - Media Matters
69. David Roberts - Grist
70. Alyssa Rosenberg - Washingtonian, The Atlantic, Government Executive
71. Alex Rossmiller - National Security Network
72. Laura Rozen - Politico, Mother Jones
73. Greg Sargent - Washington Post
74. Thomas Schaller - Baltimore Sun
75. Noam Scheiber - The New Republic
76. Michael Scherer - TIME
77. Mark Schmitt - American Prospect
78. Adam Serwer - American Prospect
79. Thomas Schaller - Baltimore Sun (columnist), University of Maryland, Baltimore County (professor), FiveThirtyEight.com (contributing writer)
80. Julie Bergman Sender - Balcony Films
81. Walter Shapiro - PoliticsDaily.com
82. Nate Silver - FiveThirtyEight.com
83. Jesse Singal - The Boston Globe, Washington Monthly
84. Ben Smith - POLITICO
85. Sarah Spitz - NPR
86. Adele Stan - The Media Consortium
87. Kate Steadman - Kaiser Health News
88. Jonathan Stein - Mother Jones
89. Sam Stein - The Huffington Post
90. Jesse Taylor - Pandagon.net
91. Steven Teles - Yale University
92. Thoma - The Economist's View (blog), University of Oregon (professor)
93. Michael Tomasky - The Guardian
94. Jeffrey Toobin - CNN, The New Yorker
95. Rebecca Traister - Salon (columnist)
96. Cenk Uygur - The Young Turks
97. Tracy Van Slyke - The Media Consortium
98. Dave Weigel - Washington Post, MSNBC, The Washington Independent
99. Moira Whelan - National Security Network
100. Scott Winship - Pew Economic Mobility Project
101. Kai Wright - The Root
102. Holly Yeager - Columbia Journalism Review
103. Rich Yeselson - Change to Win
104. Matthew Yglesias - Center for American Progress, The Atlantic Monthly
105. Jonathan Zasloff - UCLA
106. Julian Zelizer - Princeton professor and CNN contributor
107. Avi Zenilman - POLITICO

25. Julio 2010, 06:59:05
Papa Zoom 
ACORN whistle-blower Anita Moncrief held a press conference Friday at the Right Online Convention in Las Vegas. She announced today that she will press FEC charges against the Obama Administration for the campaign’s illegal coordination with ACORN during the 2008 election.

25. Julio 2010, 18:43:58
Mort 
Temo: Re:
Tuesday~Ferris Bueller: We have free speech here.. as long as it is not used to lie, cause hatred and the like. Then it's either a libel case or court. You can say what you want.. but if you break the law (which is very liberal) expect to be held to account.

25. Julio 2010, 18:45:25
Mort 
Anita Moncrief ... fired for using a business expense card for personal items.

Sounds like a disgruntled thief rather than a pillar of democracy.

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