Ferris Bueller: Many citizens of other countries other than the USA died on 9/11 also.I wonder if any international contributions have been discussed

Jim Dandy:  Good point.

I would like to correct a post I made....1st hung parliament since WW2 not WW1....it is up to either party to now woo the independants of which there are 4...I don't know what happens if neither side can get the numbers to govern...I don't think they would have another election, but then....who knows?

Ferris Bueller: BS and rubbish. Wake up people. um, it was ISLAMIC terrorists - MUSLIMS - that perpetrated this horrific act. They did this in the name of their god. And, this is par for the course with these extremist Muslims. It's not an isolated case but terrorist act in a long line of terrorist actions perpetuated by these extremest Muslims.

And what were the main-stream Muslims saying and doing in the aftermath of the 911 attacks?

Nothing.

YOu never make a solid argument. You just produce blather that is meaningless. What the hell does "ratcheting up the rhetoric" really mean? Can you spell it out or are you always going to hide behind comments devoid of substance and argument? I like to see you ONCE back up your position with a well-reasoned argument supported with SOME EVIDENCE. Are you capable of that?

Pew: Jews Leaving Dems
Clarice Feldman
It turns out the Obamessiah really can pull off a miracle. Charles Blow of the NYT reports on a Pew poll which shows that Obama has performed the impossible. He's breaking the traditional hold the Democratic Party has had on Jewish voters:
... the number of Jews who identify as Republican or as independents who lean Republican has increased by more than half since the year he was elected. At 33 percent it now stands at the highest level since the data have been kept. In 2008, the ratio of Democratic Jews to Republican Jews was far more than three to one. Now it's less than two to one.

This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel, while taking "special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world," as Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, put it in June. If that sounds like courtship, it is.

(It should be noted that the Pew poll was taken before Obama's bold support for the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque a few blocks north of ground zero.)

Obamacare supposed to create new jobs, reduce costs, lower the deficit and improve access?
But, no jobs created, costs are up and will rise even more, the deficit is ballooning, and access to a care provider is projected to get scarce. At best, access will be limited and wait times will be longer (in many cases waiting lists will decide who gets what care and when).

So much for improvements.

And even still, there will be MILLIONS with no health care coverage.

What a waste.

Artful Dodger: You are aware that "their god" is also the Christian and Jewish GOD, are you?

Jim Dandy: Impossible

Jim Dandy: um, I'm aware that it is NOT the same. You are mistaken. Very mistaken.

Vikings: mohammad is their prophet, not their "god"

Jim Dandy: Muslim faith requires acts to get to heaven to live in sin where as in the christian faith you get to heaven by grace not by acts to live in a perfect place (no sin). Therefore, they cannot be the same god

Vikings: check it out, you'll be surprised

Jim Dandy: I have and considering the violent nature of the muslim faith going back to and including the time of mohamad (who was himself a terrorist) I'm not sup prized one bit

Jim Dandy: I've checked it out. You are wrong. clearly wrong. I doubt seriously that you have investigated this seriously. Clearly the Muslim god is NOT the same as the Christian God. But make your case for your claim.

Artful Dodger: In late 2003 President Bush said, in response to a reporter’s question, that he believed Muslims and Christians "worship the same God." .....................are you calling GW ignorant?

Jim Dandy: Of course you are right, Jews, Christians, Muslims all worship the same God, along with mostly the same prophets, Abraham had 3 wives, etc... organized religion..gotta love it nothing but blood and mass murder thru out the ages .

GTCharlie: not according to the muslim faith

Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)

Vikings: Allah is jut Arabic for God, but weasel words and twisting thru out the years allows anyone to justify anything

GTCharlie: well that is your opinion as much of religious debate is, however the bible has the same claim



1. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. " Genesis 2:24
2. "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
3. "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
4. "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
5. "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
6. "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
7. "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
8. "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
9. "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
10. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
11. "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
12. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
13. "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
14. "You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20
15. "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
16. "‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
17. "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8
18. "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
19. "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14
20. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
21. "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21
22. "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9
23. "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9
24. "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24
25. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one
26. [hen] flesh"? " Matthew 19:5 "But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8
27. "Do not be called leaders; for One [hen] is your Leader, that is, Christ." Matthew 23:10
28. ""The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29
29. "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44
30. "I and the Father are one
31. [hen]." John 10:30 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3
32. "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one [hen], just as We are one [hen]" John 17:22
33. "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30
34. "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27
35. "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4
36. "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6
37. "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20
38. "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6
39. "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
40. "which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16
41. "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5
42. "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19
43. "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4
44. "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25

believe what you want

GTCharlie: YOu need to get on the right page here. They are not the same God. Just because Allah is Arabic for "God" doesn't mean that they are actually worshiping the same Deity. YOu have made a fatal error in logic.

Allah = God in Arabic.
Muslims worship Allah
Therefore Muslims worship the same God as do the Christians and Jews.

Artful Dodger: are you saying that muslims worship an infidel?

What is the majority religion in the world? if there was a vote which religion would win? maybe there's more than 1 God.. using us as pawns to fight their proxy battles

GTCharlie: I think it's the other way around.Religon uses their imaginary man in the sky as a pawn towards the other religons imaginary man in the sky

Jim Dandy: I agree, I was just being a little facetious

Vikings: oh yeah

Jim Dandy: we need a philosophy/religion board

Artful Dodger: to volatile, only place for that is in a fellowship http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=2278

Vikings: true. Eventually that fs will thrive again (with BK3.0)

Artful Dodger: If I don't close it first

Vikings: Why do that? Who will I fight with then?

Don't pass wind while praying: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The angels keep on asking Allah's forgiveness for anyone of you, as long as he is at his Mu,salla (praying place) and he does not pass wind (Hadath). They say, 'O Allah! Forgive him, O Allah! be Merciful to him'" (Hadith, Vol. 1, Book 8, #436).

A man slept through prayer time and the devil peed in his ear: "It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, 'He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated'" (Hadith Vol. 4, Book 54, #492).

hmmmm, there seems to be a theme here

Muhammad said that yawning is from Satan.
The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509:

Muhammad said Satan passes wind and runs so he may not hear the Adhan (call to prayer).
Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan for the prayer is pronounced, then Satan takes to his heels passing wind so that he may not hear the Adhan and when the Muadh-dhin finishes, he comes back; Volume 2, Book 22, Number 313: Narrated Abu Huraira,

Gee, I've done that.

No idea I've got what you are about talking.

Tuesday: Say do you why that?

Tuesday: Understanding me you are not. olo

House Ways and Means ranking member Dave Camp (R-Mich.) on Friday released data complied by his office that shows 48 out of 50 states have lost jobs since the February 2009 enactment of the economic stimulus bill.

"While Democrats promised their 2009 stimulus would create 3.7 million jobs, the reality is far different," stated a release from Camp's office. "To date, 2.6 million jobs, including 2.5 million private sector jobs, have been lost."

The White House’s Joke Transparency
by Ben Domenech
During his presidential campaign, there were few subjects Barack Obama was more unequivocal about than transparency. He committed to bringing the sunlight, and bringing it hard — five days guaranteed for legislation posted online, debates held openly on C-SPAN, online access to all aspects of stimulus projects, and so on.

The news this week, of course, is an indication that these were all just words:

President Obama has abolished the position in his White House dedicated to transparency and shunted those duties into the portfolio of a partisan ex-lobbyist who is openly antagonistic to the notion of disclosure by government and politicians

Artful Dodger:  The operative word is EXTREMISTS.

The Jewish G-d.. The Christian God and The Muslim God (Allah) are the same.

It might be good to look at the reformation of the Christian faiths when the new Protestant faith based folk and the Roman Catholic church were coming up with the same sort of arguments as some of you guys are today (millions dead through that argument)... or further back to the formation of the Roman Catholic Church where conformity came at the end of a sword or burning.... in the name of the (*cough*) Christian God.

Our own Church of England dates back to Henry VIII and his desire to divorce his current queen for a new one which was blocked by the RCC.

Vikings: Rubbish. Judaism/Christianity & Islam all are based on interpretation of the same God and his word to us.

Vikings: As per usual, Jules doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to the god of Islam. It's much wiser to take the word of someone whose been on the inside of the Islamic faith. Walid Shoebat is an expert on Islam having been raised as a Muslim and was an active PLO terrorist. I've heard him speak twice and he's powerful. He explains for one that the god of Islam is NOT the same as the God of the Bible. I'll take his word over someone who really doesn't have a full understanding.

Jesus is the Christian God. Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus and God are ONE. In Islam, Jesus is denied as God and called only a prophet. Islam god is one. The Christian God is triune. Allah was worshiped before Muhammad and was one of the hundreds of gods that Arabs worshiped. He was the chief God and Muhammad simply took that god and made him the only god of Islam. Allah was a pagan god before Islam was ever created. Cries to the contrary are cries against historical facts. And as we all know, facts are stubborn things.