Artful Dodger: I love it how I've said very little in this forum, you don't know anything about me, yet you're making an awful lot of presumptions. I find it sad that politics for some is a game of "let's prove the other guy wrong so I can feel superior" (see your gloating "I win!" comment) instead of rational conversations and debates. I don't feel threatened by people disagreeing with me, but I get annoyed at people who will do anything to "prove" they're right and I'm wrong and get a thrill out of it. That goes for people of all political viewpoints.

"Since it's apparent you don't really understand the structure of The Factor, you probably shouldn't be making comments about that show. It's evident that you don't really know what you are claiming. I doubt you watch the show much."

You're right. I don't watch it much, unless I'm in a great mood and feeling the urge for a good laugh at inanity. I usually can't stomach it, and I have conservative friends who feel the same way. I also can't stomach Olbermann, and have liberal friends who feel the same way. I wasn't commenting on the structure of a tv show. I was commenting on lies that come out of the mouth of the person who happens to be the host.

"I also see you failed to address how the women on the view tried to cut O'Reilly off before he finished speaking."

I did say that I can't stand when they don't want to let others talk, and that inviting someone like that (meaning someone that they're obviously going to have disagreements with) is just asking for trouble. I guess I didn't use your exact words, but the intent was there. O'Reilly has a habit of not letting people talk as well. *shrug* I think The View is a mess of a show, which is sad because I do like most of the hosts outside of that environment.

"If you simply post a You Tube vid as Jules just did, you ARE NOT making an argument for anything."

Like the video you just posted?

But, but...I was going to post videos of O'Reilly himself opening his mouth, with lies coming out of it. How better to make an argument that O'Reilly lies than to post actual video of O'Reilly lying?

As I see it, the major way that O'Reilly lies is by trying to rewrite the past. Off the top of my head I can think of this one: Glenn Beck has continuously said on Fox News that you're going to get arrested if you don't have health insurance. He and O'Reilly sat down together and talked on Fox News about how you're going to get arrested if you don't have health insurance. On a later date, O'Reilly vehemently denied that anyone on Fox News had ever said that you were going to get arrested if you didn't have health insurance. My argument here is not about health insurance, but that he told a lie that can be so easily proven wrong.

"It isn't because they are "right" (as in correct) but because they are honest in their reporting of the news."

LOL. If all you want to hear about is how wealthy white Christian guys are being victimized, I guess there's your channel.

"Numbers matter. That's because numbers show what people trust."

See my earlier comment about argumentum ad populum.

"And Fox has a L-O-N-G history of being trusted by the viewers."

And distrusted by as many.

"Psssst! Goldberg and Behar acted in typical liberal fashion. My way or no way."

It's really counterproductive to make sweeping generalizations of a whole group of people. Personally, I've encountered more neocons with the "my way or no way" attitude than anyone else. A lot of liberals act like that. A lot of conservatives act like that. It's funny, because most times someone tells me how ALL liberals act, I think, "oh crap, does that mean I'm not a liberal!?"