(V): Now you're having very bad luck when it comes to thinking. You don't even make sense.

Artful Dodger: Why? Because you can't remember being the "perfect christian"? Blasting everyone with your perceived new born christible God given wrath?

(V): You love to change the subject don't you. Plus you are making this all up. Besides, the point you were disputing was the FACT that rapes occured in the Occupy Wall Street camps. Not only did they happen, the perpatrators were Occupiers (as were the victims). And the leadership of the Occupy camps tried to cover up the crimes by "handling them internally." It got so bad with the Occupy group that they had to have a woman's only section (as well as a gay and lesbian sections) for the safety of others. There are several hundred examples of serious law violations including rapes. Only liberal thinkers like you would try to soft pedal the rapes.

Artful Dodger: Nope. I'd swear about this on a stack of Bibles. Many others who saw this would also be able to truthfully swear to such. I remember you thought all LDS were really, really hell bound. Or was that just you using religion?

"that rapes occured in the Occupy Wall Street camps."

Rapes happen in Texas. By your logic.. it is fair to say the rapists were Texans... Nothing about them being men, or unstable, drunk, on drugs, abused.

.. Just that they were Texans.

"And the leadership of the Occupy camps tried to cover up the crimes by "handling them internally.""

Some people after being attacked don't want the police involved. This is a fact.

"that they had to have a woman's only section (as well as a gay and lesbian sections) for the safety of others."

So they choose to protect the women, and the gay and lesbians from gay and lesbian haters... you are complaining about this?

"Only liberal thinkers like you would try to soft pedal the rapes."

I'm not. To say so is just petty fogging. You made a false statement based on one certain fraction of an equation, there were rapists and abusers and anti gay folk who 'blended' in and raped/attacked people at the OWS camps.

Just as their have been cases of rapes, sodomy, incest and abuse in Christian Churches by Christians... but that they were Christians is insignificant except to maybe explain how they may have gotten away with such activities. Especially as many within the Christian church covered up such matters and dealt with them internally..

.. some targeted groups even slept in separate areas to others as a matter of safety!!

(V): Well as they say Jules, put up or shut up. (how many Bibles are in a stack?)

Artful Dodger: Pettifogging yet again. Guess it's your best defence.

(V): So I'm calling ya out. Let's get these "witnesses" so that you can feel better about yourself. lol Also, some proof would be nice. Or am I to take the word of one such as you?

It's clear from the evidence that there were rapes that occured in the occupy camps and that the leaders TRIED TO COVER THEM UP! Of course you don't like this inconvienent fact do you? It rather destroys your narrative. Looks like you're the one who made a false statement based on one certain fraction of an equation (not to mention your endless twisting of the facts!!!)

You've been schooled again!

Artful Dodger: Call me out all you want.. if that makes you feel better.

"am I to take the word of one such as you? "

Since when has your word been reliable?

(V): Your bad luck in thnking always seems to surface rather quickly. It's like when you try to access logic you get this message:

(V):

""And the leadership of the Occupy camps tried to cover up the crimes by "handling them internally.""

jules--->Some people after being attacked don't want the police involved. This is a fact."

Except Jules, this isn't what happened. The leaders of the OWS camp decided FOR THE RAPE VICTIM that it would be handled internally.

""that they had to have a woman's only section (as well as a gay and lesbian sections) for the safety of others."

--->So they choose to protect the women, and the gay and lesbians from gay and lesbian haters... you are complaining about this?"

The mere fact that they had to set up safe zones in the OWS camps proves the camps were a dangerous place as well as many of the protesters were dangerous people.

""Only liberal thinkers like you would try to soft pedal the rapes."

--->I'm not. To say so is just petty fogging. You made a false statement based on one certain fraction of an equation, there were rapists and abusers and anti gay folk who 'blended' in and raped/attacked people at the OWS camps."

No, you're making light of all of it. But anyone reading back on your comments re the Tea Party will see you went out of your way to connect dots between the Tea Party and scandalous people. Like the liberal media, you pushed the racist element of the Tea Party (even when none existed). With the rapes, you make excuses, with the Tea Party you only made accusations. The rapes happened. The racist element is a myth.

--->Just as their have been cases of rapes, sodomy, incest and abuse in Christian Churches by Christians... but that they were Christians is insignificant except to maybe explain how they may have gotten away with such activities. Especially as many within the Christian church covered up such matters and dealt with them internally..

Or like the gang rape epidemic in Britian - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oWn6_lwQQQ

We know not all Brits are rapists.

But in the case of OWS, it happend and was covered up. And not in just one case but s

Artful Dodger:

"FOR THE RAPE VICTIM"

One victim and now it's all of them, or for all of them and you are just talking about one?

"The mere fact that they had to set up safe zones in the OWS camps proves the camps were a dangerous place as well as many of the protesters were dangerous people."

So no-one outside the protest was dangerous? Muggings, murders and all outside the camp just stopped.

"No, you're making light of all of it."

No, being real.

"the racist element of the Tea Party (even when none existed)."

Again, I was being real... boo hoo.

"The racist element is a myth."

Like God?

"But in the case of OWS, it happend and was covered up."

Hardly a cover up or good attempt at one. But hey... you can think what you want... Do you think the average of 60% of rapes/sexual assaults not being reported each year is going to significantly change, or that the figure of 74% of rapes being committed by a person the victim knows??

"Or like the gang rape epidemic in Britian - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oWn6_lwQQQ "

Wow... a BNP supporters upload focussing on rape by black people. Forgetting to include some matters of how they learnt disrespect from women. Such as evangelical christibles saying women are second class, or other influences.

Golly... Do you want me to find one about the 95%+ of rapes in the USA are by white males that I heard?

(V): You ignore facts and make excuses. Same old same old. It's clear from what I've posted that as a group, the OWS crowd has MANY bad elements. OTOH, the Tea Party does not. And you'd be hard pressed to prove otherwise. Any group would have a few bad apples. OWS has not just a few, but thousands. They are anarchists. They use violence and intimidation as a means to an end.

Artful Dodger: Anarchists... oh nooooo. People not conforming, expressing their freedom of speech!! Like when the Tea party and other groups such as the KKK and neo nazis go on marches.

But don't worry.... if "They use violence and intimidation" I'm sure those rednecks with mountains of guns and ammo can intervene.

I'm being sarcastic btw.

"bad elements. OTOH, the Tea Party does not" .... "Any group would have a few bad apples."

these two terms contradict each other.

..... same old hypocrisy

(V): Of course, you left off the word "Many" before the bad elements part. Pretty important part of that quote.

The number of incidents with OWS is not EVEN CLOSE to the number of incidents with Tea Party. Simple fact.

rod03801: So this is a battle over who has the biggest bad element..

OMG... I thought that was a kid thing?

(V):

rod03801: It's interesting how the left focuses on the Tea Party racism when none exists but overlooks the hundreds of crimes committed by OWS loons. Then the Prez has the stupidity to suggest that the OWS group is the same as the TParty. Only in politics.

Artful Dodger: I think most concentrated on the structure and funding of the tea party... but wth... knock yourself out.

Artful Dodger: Imagine if the rapes had happened at the Tea Party gatherings!

rod03801: It'd only matter as a 'OMG moment' to those who wear rose tinted specs and don't understand statistical social dynamics.

(V): You said it.

rod03801: Exactly right.