anastasia: Its not about Obama failing... its about all the "well we bitched about Bush inauguration spending money that could be used to feed the homeless, but that was different then, because this is something very special, and its good for the country to spend money on a party, even though we could feed sooo many people with the money, its still a good thing here, its just so historic, and means so much for this country, we have finally reach such a great milestone, and its so historic...."

Millions of people feel like this, and they truly believe we have reached some great milestone, and we can now move forward with some great burden lifted off our backs..... but that is really a very naive sentiment, and it pisses me off when I hear some black leader dampen the whole thing, and people not realizing this, that to the black community this is nothing so historic at all, its just one small DOWN PAYMENT.... Im not trying to rain on your parade (well I am kinda) but all this giddy "we have finally done something great" crap is just that, all a bunch of crap! ... and some people voted for him just because he is black and they think it will change things, and it wont change anything... we have got to stoip feeling so guilty about our past and this is nothing more than affirmative action at work, it will make us all feel so good if we have a black president... well whooptie doo, now we have a black president, and it isnt going to change a damn thing.... Obama might end up a great president or not, but it will have absolutly nothing to do with the color of his skin.. the more we focus on skin color, the further we get from anything that is truly special!

anastasia: Limbaugh's feelings on success,he basically says he only wants Obama to succeed if he rules with a Republican agenda,regardless of the country doing well under Obama's watch.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETnzur7oVA&eurl=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012209/content/01125108.guest.html

Jim Dandy:

Rush holds the belief that the country will be worse off if Obama succeeds in implementing the liberal agenda he has laid out. That is the sole reason he hopes Obama fails.

I personally believe that Obamas planned changes will not benefit this country, but I also personally hope he succeeds in implimenting them, and then we can at least see for certain if they are all that some think they will be.... if they are then, well thats good, and I will be proven wrong, or if they lead us in a direction that is ultimately not so good, well then at least we will have tried the experiment, and we can then get back to the real world, with a proven track record of what America is not, and that is socialists!

Czuch: Yes,so basically he only hopes he succeeds by implimenting a Republican agenda.It seems he'd be unhappy with a flourishing USA if it is achieved by a liberal agenda

Jim Dandy:

Yes,so basically he only hopes he succeeds by implimenting a Republican agenda.It seems he'd be unhappy with a flourishing USA if it is achieved by a liberal agenda

He would not be unhappy with a flourishing America, its just he doesnt believe that socializing America will make us flourish.... neither do I, but I would like to see it tried, otherwise we will never get the idea out of our system... so i say give it our best shot, and when it produces another mediocre country, then we can always say been there done that....

Jim Dandy: You have forgotten already that liberals hated Bush so much that, even though their elected representatives voted to send us into Iraq, they hoped for our failure there, and fought actively to help make failure there, just to make Bush look bad... so you have very little standing to now complain about conservatives who hope for Obamas failures!

Czuch: I see where your troops will hopefully be out of Iraq within 16 months and into Afghanistan...

Bernice:

: I see where your troops will hopefully be out of Iraq within 16 months and into Afghanistan...

I think that was the plan decided upon under Bush as directed by the Iraqi government... we have always mantained that we were at their mercy how long they wanted/needed us, if they said leave tomorrow we would be gone, no matter the president.

Czuch: I disagree,Bush's support didn't start to REALLY plummet until after the war began.Once the public came to realise how much they'd been misled on so many levels,he tanked.

Democrats supported the war,but only based on what they were fed as facts.

Jim Dandy:

Democrats supported the war,but only based on what they were fed as facts.

I can agree there is a bit of a difference in the two situations..... but the fact remains that we were voted into going to war, and there were many who could not get past the reasons, and for them failure was the only option.

What good could come from failing in Iraq except to make Bush look bad? There is absolutely no other upside, so why fight it so hard, unless your only agenda is to see Bush fail?

Czuch: So,you think Democrats wanted to leave Iraq to make Bush look bad,and not due to the thousands of lives being lost after it was determined the initial threat and reason for war was false? GOOD GOD

Jim Dandy:I think some thought like that...

But once we were already there, and had toppled saddam and his regime, then leaving would have meant way more headaches...

I can see where people would not want to have our troops fight unless there is some imminent danger to our country, but once we have made that decision, and we are voted in there and we topple the existing government, then what, just pull out?

Czuch: And may I add,it wasn't just Democrats who wanted to leave Iraq...............I think there were other options available once it was determined to be bad judgement.Other nations might have been agreeable to a different direction,and helped stabalize the situation.........it just always seemed to me like a gambler who had blown their money,but kept doubling up the bets to recoup what they originally arrived at the casino with.Where's the Iraq oil money that was supposed to help in the operation? Think of all the billions spent in Iraq that would be so valuable now

Jim Dandy:
Where's the Iraq oil money that was supposed to help in the operation? Think of all the billions spent in Iraq that would be so valuable now


I have always thought there would be some sort of "war dividend" and maybe we still will, out of everything, it would be the lack of repayment from their oil revenues that would piss me off more than any WMD or anything like that ever could. I always assumed that would be a given, that after we liberate them, at some point when they are back on their feet, they would repay us (at least monetarily) for our efforts? hahah, if they dont want to pay us back for giving them their freedom, then I would be in favor of blowing them back to dictatorship status!!!

Czuch: I personally think you can kiss any return on your investment goodbye.I'm not even sure the Iraqi govt is in your corner as much as has been depicted by the BUSH tenure.If I put myself in the position of someone who to this day supports the whole Iraq experience,I'd be mad as hell at there luke warm support.Didn't they recently state the USA would not get preferential treatment in the oil contracts? for that alone I'd send them back to the stonage

Jim Dandy: Its kinda like these bailout efforts we are paying for right now... its supposed to be loans with interest etc, but I fear some point down the road we will let them off the hook for all that as well!

I believe the car industry needs help - but this just shows how the people running these companies have NO IDEA of how to run a company.

http://consumerist.com/5137457/chrysler-buys-ads-thanking-you-for-tax-money-you-get-pissed-chrysler-censors-you

Jim Dandy: THANK YOU!

anastasia: You are still not completely understanding what happened.... Nobody ever lied... we had no idea that Saddam had destroyed all his WMDs until we went in there and found that out... we asked him over and over to show us some sort of evidence that he didnt have any anymore and he refused!

I personally didnt need any WMD card to support our going in there, but I know for many that was the actual tipping point... but why once we are already there would you prefer failure over victory just because you hate Bush, it is beyond me, and why you can now complain that Rush doesnt want Obamas plan for socialism to succeed????