Bernice: mostly in the urban areas only that i know of. there are a few like that in Philadelphia.That is why some people that can flee the cities.others put their children in Catholics schools. and as for those parents??? come on..most don't have fathers in the house and the mothers have children by different men

GTCharlie: that's a bit of stereotyping isn't it!! And as for Catholic schools.. referring back to some events not that long ago.. It could be a change from one nightmare to another.

(V): And as for Catholic schools.. referring back to some events not that long ago.. It could be a change from one nightmare to another.


that's a bit of stereotyping isn't it!!

Czuch: No, that's not knowing if all the bad apples have been removed from the barrel. The RCC was a little hesitant in admitting to the problem, and although I've no experience of problems from being taught in a RCC school, I would still be cautious for the safety of my children out of concern as any parent would be.

You've missed a lot of news here Czuch, not just about the RCC, but about other items that schools rely on to insure that those who work with kids are safe. And of old episodes, that despite people being told, were 'ignored', for the sake of image.

Luckily.. my alert senses ain't gone off yet.

(V): I'm just telling it like it is in Philly, right or wrong and I believe there are stats ,, but if you dont care to see it that way, thats ok too,, those who can and care...send their children to private or Catholic schools in this city

GTCharlie: yes there must be some way to get your children away from the hate/murder/ tactics that are being used in the High School I was speaking of.

As one of the teachers said, I think she was an english teacher, "It just isn't cool to be top of the class" some of those kids had more brains than any of us on here but were reluctant to use them because of the terrorising they would get from their "friends"

GTCharlie....it is the old story....there are none so deaf than those that will NOT hear...

Bernice: There are SOME decent schools in the city and they say the Charter schools are good, but there is a big battle to get your child in the decent ones, and there is a big drop off in quality compared to the surrounding suburban public schools

GTCharlie: Then all I can say is that in Philly if the best schools are only Catholic, then what on earth are the others doing? I see that public schools from looking at rankings can be just as good.

... And I would imagine some can be just as bad as the bad public schools.

Unless, you can substantiate such a claim of.. "those who can and care...send their children to private or Catholic schools in this city" .... which, unless the USA system is so lop sided that it is so different from the UK system, that.. in which public schools can be the best in the country.

(V): I would say no as they would lose paying customers.

GTCharlie: And some do, and close down, or merge... or have to get their act together, just like with public schools.

At least, that's the way it happens over here. We also have a strict no bullying rule, that is taught from year dot now. Which, at least for my kids seems that the schools they've attended is working. Here it's a matter of closest schools first, no catchment area skipping unless there are no local places.

Unless you want to pay private.... But mostly that is not needed as Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Public, etc can get funded by the government.

(V): Yeah, I would find it difficult to believe too many bad private schools.... some public could be better than private ones, but unlikely private ones are very bad

Czuch: well... without detailed info, it is difficult to say. Some private schools I can postulate are not great, depending on who runs them and under what 'traditions'. EG a strict right wing school may not teach evolution, or sex ed, etc.

... In this case a private school would I'd say be bad to very bad. But, I must admit.. I don't know how in America.. private schools are 'audited' if at all by the local authorities. Over here, how well schools perform is public information open to all... In America??????

(V): ***I mean.. over here in the UK before the gun rules changed, if someone wanted to own a gun they had to be approved, and also the storage at home had strict rules.... eg one locked secured box for the gun(s) and another for the ammo and firing mechanism***

Well all of USA will have to go to England then seeing as it is so good over there........
Stop the kids getting hold of guns and knives......yeah right, these "kids" you are talking about are young adults and they do have minds of their own.

I wished We all lived in such perfect places as you appear to do....is there nothing wrong with the UK? your opinions are always "UK is best" when we all know that your living conditions are no better than anywhere else. Your rates of crime are just as bad and in some cases even worse than other countries.

***And as for the subject.. As normal with any subject, people digress. I thought you would have gathered that by now!!*** I understand people digress but YOU are an expert at changing the subject.

Bernice: No, the UK is not perfect, but there is nothing wrong on being proud of your country.

Those kids might have minds of their own, but if 'home' guns are locked up securely then that's one less potential way of them getting guns. It seems to easy in America for kids to get guns legit!! I know there is no way to stop the black market, but other avenues can be limited.

Yes.. we have crime.. In some areas it's decreasing and some it's increasing. But at least our gun crime level is far lower then many countries.

I wasn't changing the subject.. it was a related topic. Don't you understand that?

Bernice:I couldn't find anything on that school but I can tell you that it isn't representative of US schools.  But is is likey representative of a culture of violence that finds its way into some US schools.   I suspect that there are problems like this in the UK as well.  It's a cultural problem, not a school problem.  The kids don't come from sweet loving middle class homes and then all of a sudden, when they step into the school building, they become animals.  They were animals first and they brought their culture of hate and violence with them when they went through the school doors.

True innocent and well behaved students are caught in the crossfire.  It's not all students but it does effect them all.  Solutions aren't easy but there are solutions.  To ignore the problem, which some administrations do, is to become a part of the problem.