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17. Aprilo 2003, 10:13:01
Walter Montego 
Temo: Ball in my court, Gary?
No it isn't. You define the terms of the debate and then what are we supposed to do? Nope, I'm not going along with that. With them conditions it'd be almost impossible to come up with a counter example. (Risk, Short Monopoly, Black Hole Reversi, are three that come to mind though I doubt if you'll find them acceptable) So why should I bother?

The issue isn't dead, aside from the fact that you had a major hand in killing a game we like, that is. Especially Keryo Pente on a 13 X 13 board without the move restriction. Maybe Pente is as you say, but you haven't shown it in Keryo Pente on a 13 X 13 board. Even if you did, Satan's response to it is quite eloquent and covers most of the reasons that I like the game played that way.

Just how much pull do you have with Fencer? He's going to listen to you, is he? If that's the case, and it appears so in some ways, I fear for the long term viability of fun for me on this site. As a private letter sent to me(Not from Fencer) stated, "I'm thinking of giving up Pente." He wrote this not talking about the versions of Pente, but his perception of how you guys go about your business of being the Keepers of All That's Pure and Standard of Pente as Played on a 19 X 19 Board. I'm tending to argee with him.

I'm starting to wonder if your being rebuffed at IYT is why you're so down on them now? I never read the posting boards there(if they have them) so I wouldn't know if you tried without success to get them to change the way their Keryo Pente is played or not. I know they ignore most everyone, but it probably has a lot to do with how many people are members and that they're raking in the money now. Perhaps I'll give them some more time. After all, they have stated that they're going to be adding things in the near future.

17. Aprilo 2003, 10:50:09
Gary Barnes 
Temo: General stuff
Walter -

You're arguing again and not debating so there's not much to address there, although I'll be kind and state why I have moved more slowly than usual in our games.

I have had to move more slowly than normal the last 1-2 weeks. I was out of town this last weekend, did my taxes the last couple of nights, and played a grueling 8-hour, 10-game match in the quarter-finals of the Pente tourney at www.pente.org. (You guessed it vs. Dmitri King. I'll get Virag in the next round. Ouch!)

I thought the time controls for our IYT games were 7 days. Although I generally move in 1-3 days, in tougher middle game positions, I might take 4-6 days because I like to look over it at least a couple of times before moving. Dangerous Mind is taking HIS time making his moves. We started the games with him at nearly the same time as you and I've moved almost as fast most of the time, yet we're only on move 5 vs. 8 or 10.

Did we not agree to a 7-day time-limit with team play? Also, I have not had to enlist Dmitri's help in our games. They were already too one-sided right off the bat to bother him with them. We have teamed up against Pioneer54 here like we agreed to do and may do so against Dangerous Mind. Like we agreed, you are welcome to enlist their help. I'll even go one further and say that you can enlist ANYONE's help that you want to and so can they. It just simply won't make any difference when playing player 2 without the restriction.

Anyway, why are you in such a hurry? Isn't this turn-based play? Take your time, store your games, and push the stones around. Otherwise, you're making less than optimum moves. Everything that's legal in Email play is legal in turn-based play, that is storing games, referring to opening books, databases of moves, strategy books, setting up the position and moving the pieces around, etc. The only things that aren't allowed are having software analyze the position and enlisting someone else's help unless agreed upon in advance. All of the allowed stuff is the fun part of turn-based play! The rules at IYT are even very specific about allowing such things.

Fencer listens to everyone. We made a strong long-term case to him for keeping the restriction on Pente and Keryo Pente. That long-term case has been stated several times. Also, the fact that we showed 3 different sites that have the CORRECT rules for both games probably helped quite a bit.

You are perfectly welcome to state your case to him but he may want to know if it's good in the long term if he's not sure. Although he may put more weight in paying members, I cannot say that for sure, because he has always been responsive before and after I became a member.


Gary

17. Aprilo 2003, 12:43:24
Dmitri King 
Temo: Walter, pardon my saying so
But I think you are instigitaing a flame war here just for the sake of doing so. You are not trying to debate the issues, you are just being nasty and insulting and provoking nasty responses. It is very petty of you that your best debating tactic is to continually threaten to leave Brain King or threaten to not send Fencer your sealed envelope with your check.

you said

"Perhaps I'll give them [IYT] some more time. After all, they have stated that they're going to be adding things in the near future."

HA ha ha. You are funny. IYT has been saying that for months, even years, without results! Compare that to Fencer who has done one new thing after another with his site.

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