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25. Mayo 2011, 02:42:39
Mélusine 
Asunto: ....accusing the White House of being complicit in driving up oil prices to push a move to alternative energy sources.
Bah, the same in France. They don't want to reduce the taxs.

25. Mayo 2011, 03:00:40
Mélusine 
Asunto: Re: Green energy isn't efficient.
Artful Dodger: We tried to develop it here but no success : needs a lot of lands to cultivate the colza and finally, there's pollution because of the fertilizers used during the farming !
Now, the mode, here, is the solar energy, for houses.

25. Mayo 2011, 03:21:59
Bernice 
Asunto: Re: Green energy isn't efficient.
Mélusine: we have solar energy but now the Gove. isnt prepared to pau us for the energy/power overload that we are able to produce, so it isnt much good...we pay thousands to get the solar panels installed with all sorts of promises being made and this is what happens.

We are a big cane growing area and they use the rubbish to make ethanol? I think that is what it is called for using in our cars...it is cheap but I dont know how the cars are running on it. we Have something called Baggasse that is currently used for bio fuel and the making of paper etc.

25. Mayo 2011, 03:30:20
Mélusine 
Asunto: Re: Green energy isn't efficient.
Bernice: Here, Ethanol is used by communities. People don't like it because it smells bad , so they don't buy cars with this energy.
Yes, it's cheap when you buy the energy but the cost for the maintenance of the vehicle is higher.

25. Mayo 2011, 03:21:18
Mélusine 
Asunto: Re: It's all about money.
Artful Dodger: Yes, of course, always !

25. Mayo 2011, 09:20:36
Mort 
Asunto: Re: Green energy isn't efficient. It can't provide communities with adequate power. We are years away from any real efficient green energy.
Modificado por Mort (25. Mayo 2011, 09:25:43)
Artful Dodger: Oh yes it can.. It certainly could take away the need for reliance of certain communities via solar, wind and through recycling their night soil, from the national grids.

At the moment our council burns most non recycled waste and turns that into energy rather than land fill.

It is possible for small communities to be pretty much energy reliant, as an example.. the first guy to put electric lights in his house, powered his house via a water wheel and dynamo system. No national grid, as it hadn't even been thought of.

Several people in the UK run their cars on recycled oil from the local chippy.

I imagine some guy owning a farm in the middle of the USA could if he wanted install enough to create a near or total independence from the power grid.

25. Mayo 2011, 10:45:11
Übergeek 바둑이 
Asunto: Re: ....accusing the White House of being complicit in driving up oil prices to push a move to alternative energy sources.
Artful Dodger:

There is of course a very green form of energy, but everyone is too lazy to do it. It is called riding a bike and walking. Then there is public transport, but it is more comfortable to bring out the old SUV.

25. Mayo 2011, 12:30:30
Mort 
Asunto: Re: There is of course a very green form of energy, but everyone is too lazy to do it. It is called riding a bike and walking.
Übergeek 바둑이: Not everyone. Some do swear by such methods. It is also very much encouraged throughout school years now.

"Then there is public transport, but it is more comfortable to bring out the old SUV."

Not for those commuting to London or in London. Buses, trains and the tube make far more sense. Even in our area, public transport is very reliable and well supported and well used. So much so, that residents have won more hours on routes they felt ended to early in the evening.

25. Mayo 2011, 18:49:53
Übergeek 바둑이 
Asunto: Re: ....accusing the White House of being complicit in driving up oil prices to push a move to alternative energy sources.
Artful Dodger:

I also forgot skate boards, roller skates and roller blades.

I realize that it is difficult for people to use human-powered vehicles, specially in bad weather or long distances. However, I do see people ride their car to go and buy a slurpee to the 7-Eleven just two blocks down the street. Then we use a lot of energy on things like air conditioning, and we literally waste electricity on christmas trees and the like.

It is hard to tell people to give away comfort and joy. So we all just have to be conscious of waste and try to minimize it. We shouldn't knock down green energy yet. It is in essence a young industry and soon enough somebody will design better solar panels and wind turbines. We shouldn't let the politics of global warming and oil distract us from pursuing better ways of generating energy and minimizing pollution.

26. Mayo 2011, 10:40:38
Übergeek 바둑이 
Asunto: Re: ....accusing the White House of being complicit in driving up oil prices to push a move to alternative energy sources.
Artful Dodger:

I wonder, would a pogo stick qualify as a green vehicle?

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