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18. Diciembre 2008, 00:56:24 Asunto: Bush in Iraq Bush shoe story on MSNBC, and then they add and show a protest in Iraq with "thousands" (supposedly) of protesters, in a country with millions of people, this is a very small protest march at best, and doesnt represent the feelings of a majority at all... but they are trying to portray it like that, to make Bush look bad because they hate Bush, and they agree with the protest themselves. cant any Bush haters see this bias???? If this were a pro bush rally in Iraq, they would either not cover it at all, or they would point out exactly how few people were involved and how insignificant it really was! They also fail to mention that it is because of Bush that these people can even have the ability and freedom to make this kind of march!!!! Cant any bush hater see this and at least admit it does exists?? If this were some democrat who liberated them, thats all you would hear about, "look at these freedom loving people who now have the freedom to dissent, just like we do here, how lucky they are now, free from the dictatorship of evil saddam, able to finally enjoy the freedom that we democrats gave to them, arent we such good people!!!!! 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:04:34 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Czuch: maybe if Bush hadn't wanked off the entire time he was in office and made a mess with,well EVERYTHING HE TOUCHED,people would care...but he did,and they don't 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:06:22 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Czuch: What's GW's popularity rating in Iraq? and if it's low,how many Iraq housholds are hooked up to American cable? 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:31:48 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Jim Dandy: I dont know for sure... but I happen to believe it is not low, probably higher there than here! Why only a protest by a few thousand when the country has 25 million people? My personal experience is with Vietnam, it was the same there then as iraq is here now, basically. I have been to Vietnam as a tourist, and the overwhelming majority there were happy with what we tried to do for their country and their only regret was that we left them hanging in a lurch!! Give Iraq 20 years and my bet is that you will find the same kind of sentiments as well! 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:39:29 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Czuch: I don't think you'll find many people (Democrat or Republican) disagreeing that Saddam was a bad man,or that Iraq wasn't exactly a happy place to live for most of its people.The divide kicks in when asked if it was worth the sacrifice. 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:55:13 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Jim Dandy: The divide kicks in when asked if it was worth the sacrifice. I dont know how much energy any of us have left for this debate again.... but that is as honest assessment I have heard lately. The point some people miss ( in my opinion anyway) is that we were already making a huge sacrifice in Iraq before the war, and I believe that even though we increased our sacrifice, in the short term, and the sacrifice came more in human lives than in dollars, that in the long term, decades even, we would have sacrificed a lot more than we will have now. Again, one of my beefs with liberals, they tend to be too short term oriented... but with the time and money spent keeping an eye on Saddam (and then his sons after he died and then their sons) and the money spent to help the Iraqi people because saddam spent all their riches on palaces and such... I think we got a bargain... bottom line... we would have sacrificed more in both wasted time and money than we ever will bringing them some semblance of freedom and a chance to live their lives free from the aid of the US, and that is good for both them and us, a win win situation! 18. Diciembre 2008, 02:03:45 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Czuch: I agree,I've said all I care to on the subject,but this is an interesting recent discussion http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28262158#28262158 18. Diciembre 2008, 02:27:33 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Jim Dandy: That is a good video, I have to admit that without ever hearing this guy before, i agree with everything he is saying, and my opinion is that Chris mathews looks like a complete idiot! But I can see there are 2 sides but I also believe that half the people are idiots, and I am not swayed that so many idtiots believe one thing or another, thing is everything this guy is saying is true, and the other guy is just a war hating bush hater givig the same ol blah blah blah, but then you probably will tell me the same about the guy that agrees with me 18. Diciembre 2008, 08:28:01 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Czuch: I love Mathews style,he's like a dog who won't let go of your pant leg  I think both sides of the fence were fairly represented in that discussion 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:34:13 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Artful Dodger: I don't know,when I watch hilites of a football game where a team was trounced say, 45-10,I'd be more skeptical if the reporter focused on the great field goal kicked by the losing team 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:41:14 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Jim Dandy: ,I'd be more skeptical if the reporter focused on the great field goal kicked by the losing team Thats what I am saying too!!! MSNBC is trying to focus on a small rally against support for Bush, and they neglect to mention that it is because of Bush that they have that right to protest, and that there are 24.98 million people out of 25 million who were not at that rally! 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:43:29 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Czuch: Are you saying that if someone was not at the rally they support Bush? 18. Diciembre 2008, 02:07:14 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Jim Dandy: Are you saying that if someone was not at the rally they support Bush? Well, obviously, no...... But the news showed a really close up shot of the event ( no wide screen from a helicopter or whatever) and then claimed "thousands" of people.... more likely somewhat less than 1000 people, and my watchful eye on media bias tells me that if they really had a huge rally they would have showed it in all its bush hating glory, and it would have been a true news event and story, and would have been legit, but instead they found a few hundred people with signs and had to throw it in there because they hate bush.... call me crazy 18. Diciembre 2008, 01:57:35 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Artful Dodger: I'd say that Fox reporters get more than their share of praise when they show balance.Carl Cameron and Shepard Smith have been praised for their objectivity often in the last few months,and rightly so. 18. Diciembre 2008, 08:25:48 Asunto: Re: Bush in Iraq Artful Dodger: Wallace has really improved,I think he values the respect of his peers.They are not replacing Colmes with a liberal counter, Beckel handles Hannity well,he'd be perfect. Other than Hannity, Fox has removed some of the harder edge,but that's a logical move considering the shift in the political scene. |
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