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22. Febrero 2009, 04:08:49
The Usurper 
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Artful Dodger: These two articles refer to a recently released Pentagon study. However, the Pentagon has all along argued that the Geneva Conventions don't apply to Gitmo detainees. The International Red Cross battled with them over this issue for years.

That said, the Red Cross does report that conditions have improved in Gitmo, according to this article:
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,95370,00.html

That is a good start. It still doesn't alter the fact that, according to many reports & testimonies, including the Red Cross, long-term inhumane treatment of detainees was standard procedure at Gitmo in the past.

Nor do I have the faith in Obama, or Obama's Pentagon, that other liberals might have. He, like Bush, works for men who do not have the interests of the American people (or anyone else besides themselves) at heart.

22. Febrero 2009, 04:20:42
Papa Zoom 
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The Usurper:And your solution is?

22. Febrero 2009, 04:47:32
The Usurper 
Asunto: Re: solution
Artful Dodger: For now, the solution is awareness. Let us observe, study, research, and not be fooled by a media-machine (left & right) determined to keep us in the dark. Let us not be afraid to examine alternate sources of news, and trust our growing discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff. Knowledge is power, at least potentially so. The ultimate solution? I don't know.

22. Febrero 2009, 04:51:41
Papa Zoom 
Asunto: Re: solution
The Usurper: You don't have time not to know.  YOu have to deal with these terrorists.  If you are going to close Gitmo with no plan, then you MUST keep it operative.  If you agree to close it, you MUST have a plan.  What you offer now is silly.  Close Gitmo but what to do with the detainees?  Well, we'll do something.   Now how much sense does that really make to yoU?

22. Febrero 2009, 05:02:34
The Usurper 
Asunto: Re: solution
Artful Dodger: I wasn't talking about Gitmo. I didn't realize you still were. The terrorists we need to deal with are/were in the White House, the CIA, and the Defense Dept.

22. Febrero 2009, 05:08:19
Papa Zoom 
Asunto: I didn't realize you still were. The terrorists we need to deal with are/were in the White House, the CIA, and the Defense Dept.
The Usurper:I don't even know where to start.  So I won't.

22. Febrero 2009, 10:21:50
The Usurper 
Asunto: Re: "I don't even know where to start. So I won't."
Artful Dodger: That's a great post! It made me chuckle.

22. Febrero 2009, 05:54:43
Czuch 
Asunto: Re:
The Usurper: These two articles refer to a recently released Pentagon study




Now you want to quote the pentagon???? I thought they were part of the whole conspiracy???

You want to have your cake and eat it too

22. Febrero 2009, 07:53:36
The Usurper 
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Czuch: Come on, quit skipping around and follow the posts better. Artful Dodger provided the links, I read the articles & reported on what the Pentagon claims. The laugh is on you...and I think I will eat the cake.

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