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6. Febrero 2004, 14:15:51
rabbitoid 
Asunto: Re: In the Gothic_250$_Prize tournement
interresting situations, the two sections are not in the same state:
in section 6, only a miracle (or a massive australian network breakdown... ) can prevent black from winning; but miracles are not uncommon... and the outcome of this game can modify the standing in this section.

in section 7 the situuation is different. one player has a significant advantage, but the game can still take a LONG time to finish. however, the outcome will have no impact on the section. in that case fencer can be asked to declare a winner to the section, and advance the tournament to round 2.

6. Febrero 2004, 14:08:21
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: In the Gothic_250$_Prize tournement
Estimating is usual only if the time runs out of the ordinary.
But perhaps you are right and I will do this,after waiting a little bit.

6. Febrero 2004, 13:57:54
harley 
Asunto: Re: In the Gothic_250$_Prize tournement
Well maybe not ask them directly to resign! But if I was in a tournament and was holding it up, I would never know. I'd appreciate a message asking me to hurry it along a bit if anyone was concerned, becasue I just don't look at tournaments I'm in.
I had a look at the tournament in question, and I know that at least one of the players is extremely pleasant and friendly when asked to make a few more moves to help a tournament along.

I've never heard of estimating a game, but if its the tournament creator finishing games on their behalf - I think it would be more polite to send a short message to the players first. Once they realise they are holding people up, they may make an effort to finish the games.

6. Febrero 2004, 13:50:23
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: In the Gothic_250$_Prize tournement
Harley, I cannot ask players to resign her games (would be rude). They can see it,if they look in the tournement tableau,in which 100 players are ready.One of them is a pawn,he seems to be only one time per week online. No,estimating the games would be the best.It is a regular technique in correspondence chess, if the games take a too long time.

6. Febrero 2004, 13:40:10
harley 
Asunto: Re: In the Gothic_250$_Prize tournement
Have you wrote to the people involved? They may not realise they are holding things up, and would gladly resign if this was mentioned to them. I doubt I'd realise if it were me holding things up!

6. Febrero 2004, 13:34:39
Caissus 
Asunto: In the Gothic_250$_Prize tournement
only two games are running.It seems,that nobody wants to resign,although both positions are totally lost (and they move only one time in the week :()
It is not possible to estimate both games, therewith we others can start the second round?

5. Febrero 2004, 22:43:53
bwildman 
Asunto: Re: re: bwildman's 2nd gothic chess tourney
its posted:) hope to see many there:)

5. Febrero 2004, 22:12:54
Greenknight 
Asunto: re: bwildman's 2nd gothic chess tourney
Count me in too!

5. Febrero 2004, 16:13:11
bwildman 
Asunto: Re: bwildmans 1st gothic chess tourny
that sounds like a plan,Nasmichael.I'll set it up today :)

5. Febrero 2004, 04:56:18
Nasmichael 
Asunto: Re: bwildmans 1st gothic chess tourny
Are you thinking of having another one soon? I'd be interested.

4. Febrero 2004, 19:56:30
bwildman 
Asunto: bwildmans 1st gothic chess tourny
Congratulations to olittavio for winning this tournament:)

26. Enero 2004, 22:10:04
andreas 
Asunto: Re: Checkmate only with the chancellor
One more chancellor checkmate: White moves and wins.

26. Enero 2004, 17:37:27
bwildman 
Asunto: Re: Checkmate only with the chancellor
nice move,Caissus
it goes to show..anything can happen,if you keep trying:)

26. Enero 2004, 11:33:51
Caissus 
Asunto: Checkmate only with the chancellor
shows the end of this game after Black`s forced answer (sorry Andreas):) # 1

18. Enero 2004, 20:38:53
bwildman 
Asunto: Re: Gothic Chess License
It seemed to me,that Fencer left the ball in eds court..my mind will rest at ease when ed makes his decision.

18. Enero 2004, 18:35:14
ChessCarpenter 
Asunto: Re: Gothic Chess License
Thank you Fencer. I'm sure that will at least ease the minds of the people who love to play Gothic here on this site!!

18. Enero 2004, 17:42:16
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: Gothic Chess License
ChessCarpenter: Of course.

18. Enero 2004, 16:31:27
ChessCarpenter 
Asunto: Gothic Chess License
Fencer,

As I read Ed's last post here it looks like he is asking if you will renew your license for Gothic Chess. Do you intend to renew it?

17. Enero 2004, 19:49:19
Greenknight 
Amen Nasmichael! I didn't mean any offence to Caissus and I think that we'll have to agree to disagree about the future of both chess and gothic chess.

17. Enero 2004, 19:40:31
Nasmichael 
Asunto: Re: Nasmichael
Not invented so much--studied, improved, developed, tested, patented, elevated. A student of the game contributes to the centerpiece, which at its highest levels is burdened by heavy drawing chances.

Chess is now the standard, and of course that is uncontested. I call it "the FIDE variant" because there was a time when it was not the standard, and it was a variant then. Now it has been accepted as such. We all know that, and I am glad it has been time-tested and accepted. We don't argue about it. We all just come together and enjoy it. I am glad to meet you at the boards.

17. Enero 2004, 19:13:39
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: Gothic on a 10x10
Greenknight,I wrote "there is only chess" as someone has described chess only as "Fide variant".And to the developement of Gothic Chess instead of Chess,we will see. At the moment Gothic Chess has in relationship to chess only a very small prevalence.For instance,there is no other server where you can play this game. Perhaps is in 100 years? We don`t know what is in the future,but I see no real chance.

17. Enero 2004, 18:46:45
Greenknight 
Asunto: Gothic on a 10x10
I think Caissus is dead on about Gothic on a 10x10. However, I disagree with him about "there is only chess." Chess has been evolving throughout the centuries and even going back a few hundred years you can see a huge number of changes in basic rules and ways the pieces move. See The Chess Artist for a nice synopsis of how each piece has evolved over time. Even Kasparov wants to change the initial starting piecs of "normal" chess to solve the death by draw problem. (See A Psychiatrist matches wits with Fritz) This solution, and most of the other chess variants that I've seen, seem very arbitrary to me. In my opinion Gothic Chess is the only logical next step in the evolution of chess.

17. Enero 2004, 18:38:12
Greenknight 
Asunto: Artful Dodger
Both of Silman's books are good (I've even gone through the Reassess Your Chess Workbook) but they really didn't help my chess rating at all. I think that you'd need to be a Class A or Expert player to really get a boost in useable knowledge from those books. When I was trying to play Silman's way I'd get into really complex positional games, hold my own against strong players for 20-30 moves, and then miss a tactical shot or simply blunder. The book that really opened my eyes (and boosted my rating) is Rapid Chess Improvement by Michael de la Maza. He has a set of drills and a tactical study regimen that is a little too much for me right now (my wife and I are moving) but I've modified it to fit my limited free time and it has really helped me a lot.

17. Enero 2004, 18:33:16
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: Gothic chess on a 10x10 board?
Bwildman, I think the 10x10 is too slow for Gothic/Capa Chess. Perhaps you will see this if we get the "Grand Chess" anytime, which is played on a 10x10 board.

17. Enero 2004, 18:18:57
bwildman 
Asunto: Gothic chess on a 10x10 board?
I recieved a message fom Thad,asking me to inquire if anyone has any thoughts on the possibility of playing gothic chess on a 10x10 board?
I see the 2 extra rows as a huge change in playing strategies.

17. Enero 2004, 18:15:18
bwildman 
Asunto: Re: Capablanca Chess
I have never played Capablanca...but I feel anything would be better than allowing the gothc license to be held at Fencers head like a gun.
I hope gothic chess never leaves BrainKing,and that ed realizes that we only want to have fun and enjoy our games.There is no room for personal vendettas,and as a moderator...this is a big obstacle.
I hope things work out so that all involved can reach a mutual agreement.

17. Enero 2004, 17:52:30
ChessCarpenter 
Asunto: Re: Capablanca Chess
The point I was trying to make is why play CC on this site if White has a huge advantage! This is why no one plays it.

17. Enero 2004, 17:32:02
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: Capablanca Chess
The prevalent opinion sees Gothic Chess only as a variation of Capablanca Chess.
There are beside the original setup of Capaplanca some other setups (for instance the "Aberg variation"),which you can use.In the next time I will publish these variations on the board "Other chess variants".

17. Enero 2004, 17:18:19
ChessCarpenter 
Asunto: Capablanca Chess
The reason why there is No Capablanca Chess is that White has a huge advantage! So basically this variant isn't playable...where Gothic Chess is a stable variant and a HUGE discovery NOT a samll modification of CC, but the way the 10x8 board should be played! So once again CC is not a playable version!!

17. Enero 2004, 16:41:31
bwildman 
good point,Caissus

17. Enero 2004, 08:50:22
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: Nasmichel:
There is no "fide-variant", there is only chess. And chess is the standard,all other variants are derivatives.
I am for Gothic Chess too, but if the "inventor" don`t want renew the "license", I am for Capablanca Chess. Btw he has only invented a small modification of CC!

17. Enero 2004, 07:02:14
bwildman 
wow.... that post was for another board!

17. Enero 2004, 06:48:48
bwildman 
isnt AC/DC from Australia

17. Enero 2004, 05:55:59
cya peeps 
Asunto: thanks for the feedback
maybe I'll give it another try. I do have CT-Art 3.0 but it's getting dusty. I like to play, but the discipline of practice is not always there.

What about the concept of inbalances taught in the book Amature's mind (and Reassess You Chess)?

Any thoughts there on how these concepts may help with Gothic chess?

17. Enero 2004, 05:20:06
Nasmichael 
Asunto: Re: ArtfulDodger
I am finding the same thing as Greenknight. The "FIDE variant" looks a bit simpler, after several games of Gothic Chess. I was just telling a new player the same thing. People that were beating me at the standard boards are NOT winning anymore. The perspective changes at the Gothic board, and the War of Different Armies makes for a stronger player overall.

17. Enero 2004, 05:17:44
Nasmichael 
Asunto: My vote for keeping Gothic here
I hope all parties can work together to keep one of my favorite games, and the reason I play here and have enjoyed myself so much here, on this site which has so much going for it. I know personalities can clash, but "Iron sharpens Iron" and perhaps the sides can rediscover the common ground--the love of the game--that brings disparate personalities together. I love the Gothic Chess here, and I wish for it to stay.
Not Capablanca. Gothic. Work it out.

17. Enero 2004, 05:10:04
Greenknight 
Asunto: ArtfulDodger
I felt the same way when I first started playing gothic. The good news is that I'm now winning a lot more chess games. Chess seems almost easy after you get used to gothic. As far as the way pieces work together, I link up my Archbishop with either of the bishops (kind of like having a queen behind a rook) or use it to support a knight outpost. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to utilize the Chancellor. Gothicchess.org has some interesting articles on the Chancellor's Vortex. One thing that really helped both my play in gothic and normal chess was using the tactics program CT-Art 3.0 from www.chessassistant.com. This program forces you to ingrain a massive number of tactics into your brain. After doing a bunch of them, you start naturally looking for them in your play. Hope this helps a little.

17. Enero 2004, 03:03:56
cya peeps 
Asunto: I stink at this game and can't seem to get a handle in my brain
on how the pieces work together. I really like Chess but that's difficult enough. Those of you who play both, what are your thoughts?

BTW, I was one of the banned ones and I don't remember every posting here before. I'm glad it's been lifted.

16. Enero 2004, 22:37:40
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: If the license of Gothic Chess
That won't be a problem.

16. Enero 2004, 22:33:37
Caissus 
Asunto: Re: If the license of Gothic Chess
will not be renewed, we can play "Capablanca Chess".
It is the original game with the same board and with the same pieces,only with a little bit other setup.

16. Enero 2004, 21:30:33
bwildman 
Asunto: Re: Nasmichael vs. bwildman
Thank you ChessCarpenter for your valued opinion:)

16. Enero 2004, 21:29:33
ughaibu 
If anybody thinks I'm happy about this they're wrong. GothicInventor persistenly and in public behaved with a degree of arrogance that insulted not just the members but more importantly, the site owner. Okay, the guy is just mere so who cares? This is a more important moment the exposition of the KM triviality.

16. Enero 2004, 21:08:24
bwildman 
Asunto: Its a great day in the history of gothic chess
I personally enjoy the game thourghly.I've met many great players,and though I'm only an averge player..all have treated me with respect.
It would be a shame to lose the game at BrainKing simply because of one persons arrogance.
Tact and diplomacy,has never been eds stong points...and thank you Fencer,for once again making this the greatest game site on the internet!

16. Enero 2004, 20:53:35
ughaibu 
2nd sorry, I got it.

16. Enero 2004, 20:51:27
ughaibu 
Sorry Fencer, do you mean me?

16. Enero 2004, 20:47:46
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: Previously Banned Accounts
No, no, no. No private messages. I want everyone to see my opinion and statement.
It's not true that almost all of them were Danoschek's aliases, maybe half of them, and you know it. I've reviewed the list before I've deleted it.
You know that I always do what I think is the best for BrainKing, not for any particular user.
And if you don't want to renew the licence, it's your right, of course, and I will remove gothic chess from this site.

16. Enero 2004, 20:37:08
ughaibu 
Is this game interesting?

16. Enero 2004, 20:01:42
ughaibu 
As on "boiler room" my case?

16. Enero 2004, 20:00:00
Grim Reaper 
Asunto: Previously Banned Accounts
If you review that list, you will see almost all of them were Danoschek aliases.

The only others that were banned used the term "prick" in this board. Perhaps you are not 100% aware of what this word means Filip.

Anyone who called another person this named was banned.

I will not be visiting this board again.

I would like to know if you intend you renew your Gothic Chess license for 2004. There are a few months left on your one year "exclusive" licensing. Perhaps you should contact me privately.

16. Enero 2004, 19:15:13
ughaibu 
Oh my god! Fencer's going to ban me for "off-topic".

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