Yes, I know about this bug. The problem is that when I added Backgammon to this site, I was not aware of this rule. And then I was short of time and had to solve more serious problems.
Please confirm if I understand the algorhithm correctly:
1) When dice are rolled, all possible moves with the first die must be checked if a valid second [and third and fourth in case of double] one can be done as well.
2) If no such move is found, dice are auto-swapped and the process repeats.
3) If still no valid move using both dice is found, player is allowed to use only one die as a legal move.
Did I miss something? I must be absolutely sure before implementing it.

Maybe Fencer can look at this when he is working on the autopass :)
Bottom line with this backgammon flaw is, although it is not the real rules of Backgammon, if Fencer has programmed it that way, it must be "his" rules.

Yea, in Backgammon, there are a couple of rules that are not programmed here correct. Fencer does now about the flaws, and like Kevin says, it is on the list of things to do - but unfornatly - not everything on the list can be #1. (And as a big Gammon players, I would also like the known problems fixed - but will have to wait until Fencer has more time.) :-)

That I agree with completely.

Well..if some people know how to use it and others not then they have an unfair advantage..cheating or not.

that it's technically not cheating simply because someone could inadvertently make the moves according to the order of the dice and be puzzled that only one move could be made. But, if the order of the dice was reversed (switched) then bot numbers could be played. Since the system allows this, it can't be considered cheating. It's a flaw in the system. It also occurs a small percentage of the time. I think it will be fixed in BK 2.0. :)

If there is a way to "go around" the rules in backgammon i think everybody should be informed how to use that "cheat". Remember we are playing prize tournaments in backgammon.

yes, an agreement would be good.
We could add that to the list directly under the one that states that using a program to win games is cheating.
Good suggestion CM1000

Well i used only one dice, while i could use both, to test if the system will accept it. And suprisingly it did! Sorry about that.

Anyway, as i'm very pedantic with game rules:
IT IS A BIG DEAL THIS BUG. In the game of Backgammon you have to use the maximum number of your rolled numbers to have a legal move. So this game here, cannot be called Backgammon. Of course with the agreement you said, that the players must play it, although they have the option to do the opposite, the game can be called Backgammon again. So all the players must know about it! Perhaps you should write it to the game rules of Backgammon. Sorry if i seem too pedantic but i always want to be 100% accurate.

Yes, that is true. It will not force you to use both dice if you can possibly. If you have any idea about programming, you will know it is not simply telling it "If both dice can be used, both have to be used!". While I admit it is very possible (and will eventually be done) it is not number one on the priority list, and certainly will not be done before BK 2.0 is released. Until then, it's not that big of a deal. If you can use both dice, use them even though it doesn't make you. If your opponent does not use both dice even though they could have, let Fencer know and he will undo the move and let your opponent know that (s)he should use both dice.

In this Backgammon game:
http://www.brainking.com/game/ShowGame?g=343515
at move 32 i had to play 64. As it is well-known the rules for Backgammon say that: IF IT IS POSSIBLE I HAD TO USE BOTH 2 (or 4 if i had a double) NUMBERS OF MY DICE TO PLAY A LEGAL MOVE.
Well i had played only the 4, while i could play the 6 also. And Brainking AI accepted this.
What is going on.......?

A leak is a slow kind of thing, how about if I leak my own posts word by word over different and disconnected boards? A species of apolitical art.

Hopefully that means everyone can be friends again.

We'll all have to have a party to celebrate the unveiling of BK 2.0 :)

Well Fencer, if you would quit reading this post and go work on the tournament BK2.0 code, we would be that much closer! :-)

no, take your time: better to wait some more weeks to make all the tests, than to have to have to restore the backup of now - 3 months at some later time, when some user stumbles on the unknown killer bug

ok well launch it already, we are all ready to see it.

*whooossshhhhhhh* im gone lol

No tournaments or any other data will be lost.

Update: I've just finished something. First rounds are started automatically, next rounds are yet to be implemented :-)

lol, fencer said that , i was wondering what would happen to all the tournaments that were due to start after the swop .. people wouldnt want to lose them .

It won't effect any tournaments that are already running. You just cannot start any new ones.

Noooooooo Fencer LOL, you dont want to release it yet ;o)
(well i know you probably do want to, as everyone wants it here, think some things still need sorting there first) :-)

imediately is good...

.....as long as we know what to expect :o)

As Jason asks, how will it affect the tournies?

what would happen to the tournaments already there (not due to start ect) will they still be safe to start afterwards

ROUGHLY SOON! If you don't want to start new tournaments, I can launch it immediately :-)

cant wait for bk 2 then , should also encourage more paying members to join too ;)

ROUGHLY WHEN?

Now I can, with BK 2.0 :-)

this was sugessted a long time ago fencer , you said then that you couldnt split it from non members to the paying members .

We have another record from yesterday - more than 1,100,000 hits a day. I am seriously thinking about some banner ads [displayed to non-paying members, of course].

Caissus : ?? Translate please :)

i wish to vote for all 4 :)

that way i cant miss can I....it is called "licking the finger that finger licked you" :) sound familiar?

ZGLULVO

ROFLMAO

I like BBW's second polling idea best. :) I vote #1. If I don't win that election, I'll run next for BK Administrator for 2.0. :) All in favor? say......

I like BBW's second polling idea best. :) I vote #1. If I don't win that election, I'll run next for BK Administrator for 2.0. :) All in favor? say......

should we actually use the poll feature
a/. yes
b/. no
c/. end of discussion
d/. I will get my secretary to answer ;oÞ

New Poll ideas:

What new features should be moved toward the top of the list:
1) Inter-Fellowship Tournaments
2) Backgammon games with Cube
3) Battleboat Plus
4) ... other stuff

-OR-

"Should AD be President?"
1) Yes
2) No
3) Who is AD, and what does he want to be president of?

Personally, I couldn't give a hoot one way or another if there is an autopass or not and why the heck would I set up a website outside of this website for people to vote one way or another??????. All I am saying is, what is the "POLL" area on this site used for for other than the "T-shirt" poll....USE the polling area for other information besides.....AUTOPASS could be one of those polls voted on by players!!!!

LMFAO@BBW I wont mention who ;oÞ

no... but you can make enemies with that many games..... if you don't play them very fast. :-)

...can you make friends with that many games?

... if you hurry, you can make it 1000 games! <grin>

so there are 500+ games that admin can look at? if I had answers then I would know wheteher to do that or not

Stevie - Actually you should join everything you can before your membership runs out - then once you are a pawn, you will be able to play out your 500+ games that you can get! :-)

(just can't start any new tournaments)

well if the slow players on here would get into top gear, then I may get down to 20 games in time

and just play real friends instead of hypocrits etc or the ones who shouldnt have admin access LMAO

If i behave i might be a knight for 6 months from June 27, i think Antje won her section in Lindas tourney..if not ....20 games will be enough LOL

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is it really worth it??????????

I putting in for the position of money manager for BrainKing. I have a degree in accounting and Business Management. I currently am a manager at my current place of employment. I would be able to handle the incoming money for Fencer. one for BrainKing, two for me. etc etc etc. lol