coan.net: I do understand what you are saying, the same as what Fencer said

BUT why can not we just have a simple selection box, like we already have when creating normal Waiting Games. Where we can select what Fellowship we are selecting it for or creating one for......simple really

A. I can understand why Fencer does not want to let a BIG BOSS create fellowships since it might confuse the system - for example, MadMonkey - lets say you decided to join the Random Team in my fellowship since there are plenty on the team in your fellowship, and I made you captain. When you go to the Open team tournaments, and you hit "create" - does the system create one for your fellowship or the team you captain?

I think the good compramise would be to let both Captains & BIG BOSSes create & accept open challenges - BUT if that situation comes up where a person is both, CAPTAIN will always "win" against BIG BOSS - so if that situation came up, you would always be acting as a captain. Not sure how much extra that would take to program it, but if not much - that is what I would like to see.

B. I agree with letting everyone know what team challenges are open in the waiting room - even if they are not captain or BIG BOSS. Seeing what is available might (1) get a player to talk to their captain to accept the challenge, and (2) might get some on a team so they can play against the challenge.

pauloaguia: That is what i envisaged when i thought of the idea.

I just wanted a place where i (as a Big Boss), could put public Invites (which i can through the Fellowship, but not via the Waiting Room, crazy) and also accept them on behalf of my Captains. I am here a LOT more than all my Captains, and it would be nice when a challenge is posted to be able to see it & accept it rather than having to wait until my Captain logs in.

As you say not all Captains are alert enough or interested enough to keep up with things like this, and all Team members as well should be able to see the invites.

MadMonkey: I'd even prefer any tem member to be able to see those waiting matches. A Team captain may not always be alert or insterested... but if some of the team members point out that a new match is open that they would like to take part in, the captain may accept the challenge after all...

Purple: Fencer will not allow Bosses to unless they are Captains of those Teams

Crazy when Bosses can do exactly the same within a Fellowship, by clicking on the link in the Team box (Create new public team challenge) and creating one for a Team there, but you can not from the Waiting Room.

I wish i knew the difference

MadMonkey: I tried to put up my checker team but not being a captain I guess it was invalid. So I'm having our captain re-submit it.

Yesterday, there were 2 red numbers beside Waiting games, one for Single Player games & one for Team ones
Team one seems to have gone

Too bad. Some of them had very good content in.

NOT a floosie: The cookie monster got hungry

Where did all the posts go from yesterday?

MadMonkey: I know PayPal is not compatible with web-tv. At least with mine.

MadMonkey: thanks for connecting me with him - im waiting for a response and hopefully i will be able to pay for him soon....

Animal: I know, i have it, and he had it as well, thats not the problem. He can not use PayPal

MadMonkey:  Setting up Paypal is easy.  Is it not available for your friend?  If it is, it's a very easy process.

MadMonkey: Stupidly enough I didn't even consider the possibility that you weren't on the same country
Yes, it would probably be just as expensive to send the money to Fencer in that situation then... or maybe you know some other member in the states that could help them out too (and is trustworthy of course)

pauloaguia: I do not see why someone in the states should have to send me (in England) money, it may as well go straight to Fencer

There was until a while ago a list of people in various countries, where what you suggest could be done making it easy. Sadly, that is now gone. They have not got a PayPal account for a valid & personal reason, yet because of this they can not get there membership, and so leaving, because no one has the time to help them with there problem.

i have done my bit, keeping them here, even paying for them to try out membership, maybe i should just buy there Black Rook for them as well

MadMonkey: (Just commenting on the Customer Service bit)
Just because Customer Service isn't around any more, doesn't mean people can't send you money for you to pay for their BK accounts using your PayPal account. All it takes is for them to trust you enough to send you the money.
There are people who I used to pay accounts for until they finally got old enough to have a credit card and a PayPal account. And I only became a Customer Service Representative after that... but the principle still holds - everytime someone contacts me on how to purchase a membership I explain how to use PayPal and in the end, offer my services as a last resort...

This place amazes me, in a BAD way sadly these days.

I have a friend who i made a Bishop for a while to see if he liked it here. He did and wanted to get a life membership ( Black Rook ), but has no PayPal account and a wire transfer will cost a fortune on top.
He has asked for help from Fencer and although Fencer did reply, he has got know where. So sadly now him and his friends (who have the same problem) are now leaving BrainKing.

Myself and harley created Customer Service years ago for this or anything to sort problems out and answer questions, to help people, this seems to have all but vanished along with Customer Service.

This is not a dig a Globs, but at everything this site is becoming. I love this place and have done since i joined over 5 years ago.

In those days you could post on boards and get a friendly answer in minutes. These days you are lucky to get and answer, and if you do it is not exactly helpful or understanding. As has proved AGAIN over the last few days, an argument starts.

It comes to something when we can not even help others sort problems out. I thought getting members and therefore generating income would be of vital importance to running a site like this.

Sadly as normal, i am wrong

Jason: brainking.com doesn't reply to ICMP ECHO_REQUEST packages, so you traceroute packages time out.

Jason: When Gordon Shumway first posted, he explained something about the time out.. I don't remember exactly, but here is a link to the post: BrainKing.com (Gordon Shumway, 2008-01-07 01:55:59)

I just tried the tracert brainking.com thing and got 30 request time outs , do they all time out ? or is that the reason i dont seem to see any routes/times .

Andersp: I meant more the general posts about football and beer as being light-hearted fun .
You are right about the other post. I know this isn't proper protocal, but I have taken the liberty of deleting the post. If anyone has a problem with this, please PM me, and once again, I hope that this board can be returned to it's intended purpose. Brainking, it's structure, it's features.

Yes, the more recent posts are definitely more appropriate on a "chat" discussion board, please.

Purple: done!

Jim Dandy: LSU-Ohio St. is on in 5 minutes so I think I will have a beer, call Kammy and watch some football. Jim..have a beer and watch some football. lol

Eriisa: I want to be a part of the solution,not the problem.Right now I'm just trying to get a feel for a way out of the tense situation,but sometimes I feel I keep walking on land mines,sorry,Purple is right,you are one of the good ones

Purple: nope, I didn't consider you in the message

JD, the comments are coming from a line that Fencer posted and people decided as aimed at them. Whether it was not not, that part of the conversation has been ended and didn't need to be dragged up again and again.

That's all I'm asking.

Purple: I have seen worse posts here too but....better behave

Eriisa: The board heading says "Board for everybody who is interested in BrainKing itself, its structure, features and future."

I respectfully submit that the present is very important to the future,though some of the cheap shots do nothing to work towards that end,on that I agree.

ps

what's a troll?

Eriisa: The discussion switched from citicizing Fencer to some good natured ribbing of FORMER GM's and technical advice for each other. But I will heed your warning and hope this post won't be considered Troll. You are one of the good ones.

I'm giving this one warning to everyone in general, please.

I know you are frustrated. I knew you are not happy with Fencer's answer. Guess what? He knows it too. But what else can he say that he has not said at least once?

The things are the way they are right now, are not going to change (at least right away) so I would suggest to let it go for now.

So the BKFBI..."Behave or be banned" is now in effect........ to quote Andersp.

The next Troll comment will be banned in particular until Hrqls gets online.


Thanks.

Purple: I would take the WebTV and throw it out the window and go buy a PC.
Then get hooked up with high speed.

Uninvited: A rare combo of tech skills and people skills. Now what do I do about my lame web-tv? lol

Uninvited: The site is humming along better tonite.I think I'll take the firefox leap anyway,but I'm a creature of habit,probably the same reason I could never learn to drive standard lol

Jim Dandy: I have Firefox2 and Internet explorer on my pc.
My games are loading fast tonight, I had it on Firefox and my Ludo games only took one sec. to load all the way, I switched to IE. and the ludo games took four seconds each time.
The point I'm getting at is Firefox is way better and if you don't like it just take it back off your PC.
It's free so you got nothing to loose.

Purple: I think it comes back to what Andersp was saying.You may be a genius in the tech end,but lacking in people skills.The people skills people should do the people stuff.

srnity: Or "If there is no one to moderate..find someone." lol

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This is commonly referred to as Lord Acton's dictum.

Jim Dandy: Some of the more trigger happy ones have been replaced and the current crop doesn't seem to be as egregious. I now moderate or are BB on 8 F/S and I think the old rule is best: He who moderates least moderates best.

Andersp: I wouldn't want to paint everyone with the same brush,I have had my own issues in a global mod scenario.There are good and bad apples in every crop,and some don't know how to handle power.

Jim Dandy: Nope...they are BKFBI..."Behave or be banned"!!

Andersp: I agree 100%,I thought the global mods were his public relations people.

Click on Start
Click on Run
Type cmd (in the window)
A black box will open up. This is called a DOS window. At the cursor type in tracert brainking.com and hit enter.

Jim Dandy: Its no problem to name at least 10 "programmers" who are giving Fencer "good advice"  but how many good advice about business economy does he get?

Purple: I agree,cashflow is everything,even an installment plan

srnity: I have yet to download it,I'm trying to find the best and newest edition.I think firefox 3 is soon to be released.........the only "hops' I understand are used in beer.

Jim Dandy: Oops, sorry, wasn't thinking about it from that angle I have Firefox, it updates itself automatically, disk clean and defrag are automatically set too - I'm running better this evening then yesterday around this time (first time here today) - any better for you? And how many "hops" did you get, btw?

srnity: I had to look to see if we had a game.The feeling I get is that certain paying customers feel unappreciated,I don't have enough knowledge of the history here to have an opinion if it's warrented.I'm considering dwnloading firefox to see if it improves the speed,I like this site but the current speed is a pain,especially if you want to fire through say 50 moves prior to work

Jim Dandy: If Fencer raised the annual price of a Rook by 10% even..two or three times over the next ten years..then the Black Rook would prove to be a good long term investment. I'm not thrilled by his lack of replies etc. but if he were truly money hungry it wouldn't be so hard to buy memberships for my friends. I don't like PayPal, he won't take hardly anything else, no credit cards, no checks and no place to mail cash. If I ran the site I would have 100 ways to pay, in every currancy, I would accept watches and jewlery, stamps, coins, old tv sets and have P.O. Boxes in every major city. He is impatient (or worse) when he thinks things are not his fault and the members are impatient (or worse) when they think it is. When you play on 4 or 5 sites and only BK is having problems it is a hard sell to convince people it is their browsers fault. On Gold Token there were dozens of people with a dozen different complaints all at once and it turned out that there was only one root cause. Perhaps Fencer could dig deeper to see if something like that isn't going on here.