Artful Dodger:  So!  He joined some "liberal" organizations following his retirement.  That makes him an evil man in the eyes of arch-conservatives & organizations like AIM.  Can you even substantiate half the stuff in this right-wing commentary anywhere else other than such biased musings?

Ferris Bueller:   Its actually a tribute to the man that he had far left leanings but one never knew that based on his professional reporting.   He reported the news.   He was probably the last of an era of the kind of reporters that we need in this world.   Contrast him with Dan Rather.  Rather wore his politics on his sleeve.

But just read what WC said after his retirement and its clear that he was a far left leaning guy.   I think his ideas are dangerous for all of us.  People who think like him need to be defeated in the battle for ideas. 

One only needs to read the many things he said to discover that he leaned very far left.

Artful Dodger:  Well, I'm glad u can recognize Cronkite's ability to report the news w/out bias.

The author of the AIM commentary was obviously hostile towards WC for expressing his opinion on the Vietnam War during his reporting days, one of the few times WC expressed an opinion on the air.  The commentary was thus laced with distortions & quotes taken out of context.  No one questions that WC's personal views were liberal leaning, and I'm perfectly fine w/ that.  But to claim he was in league w/ the old Soviet Union, for example, is quite a distortion IMHO.

As far as defeating people in the so-called "war of ideas", I cite Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck & other darlings of the far right as targets for defeat.

Ferris Bueller:  Glen Beck is one of few that is making sense of the mess that the democrats are shoving down the throats of people in the US.  Rush is far more radical than either Beck or O'Reilly.  O'Reilly shouts a bit but for the most part his views are sensible.

Artful Dodger: But didn't the people of the USA know before hand what your Pres's plans were, and as such "shoving" is not true as they elected him knowing his ideas?

(V): Heres the thing.... to get elected, he got a majority, but to get his initiatives passed, he needs to convince more people, many who did not vote for him, not to mention, those who voted for him based on one or two issues... IE, many black voters voted for him simply for the sake of electing the first black man.... now he has to convince them to support certain actions, and some of the tactics used for this include "shoving them down our throat". For example, telling us there is an crisis or emergency, and that any inaction will only make things worse. Most people were signing legislation without even reading it, the same with global warming, some big tipping point where it will be too late if we dont support drastic measures straight away.


If food is appetizing, and tasty, it doesnt need to be crammed down ones throat to get them to eat it... same with good policy, if it is good legislation, then a few days or weeks to actually read it couldnt hurt then?


You make it sound like just having been voted in with a simple low majority gives him a blank check to do whatever he pleases, and we should know what to expect based on promises, no questions asked?

Czuch: Thing is.. many country's in the western world, etc are doing the same.

If it was such a bad idea, why are all these governments doing it?

No questions asked.... Please.. it is our right to ask questions, governments are supposed to be accountable to the people... even if they try and be above the law.

(that's a joke at a recent Parliament decision )

Now. Being in the position where your Pres is not republican and you are questioning him. How do you now stand on not questioning your Pres and that he is always right?

(V): I get your point... I do remember saying that since our representatives voted for the war in Iraq etc.... now support it... blah blah blah.... so thats what you are trying to say, I get it.

I dont think that war was "crammed down our throats" but some would disagree....


I still believe that history will bear out the good a right of the Iraq war, and the wrong of a more socialist US


I can say this... the old "everyone else is doing it" argument, that one just doesnt sit right with me

I dont think the US got to where it got, so far and so fast, following the crowd

Czuch: The USA borrowed so much from others in terms of it's set up and constitution I would have to disagree. You still use 'governors'.. Isn't that a spin off from British Colonial rule of the Americas?? Your founders borrowed many ideas of how to govern from forms of democracy past and present... eg .. republic.

I cannot agree unless you show that as such in it's forming the USA is unique.

Even your science... look back at when the hydrogen fuel cell was invented!!

(V):  Not true.   The details were never fully known.  Like most presidents, he's already broken many promises. 

Artful Dodger: Details are in essence never fully known till someone gets into office Art. You know that by nature of information that is at hand to a person running for office who is not in office. That's why the Pres in gets to inform the Pres coming in.

(V): The point is that now that his ideas are coming to light, they are falling out of favor with the American people. People that mattered in the election of Obama are now having second thoughts. If the trend keeps up, there will be a shake up in Washington in 2010. And in 2012 the Republicans will regain the White House. These ideas are too radical for the American people. Except those on the far left who love his ideas.

Artful Dodger: Which ideas in particular are too radical? Most things are not new in politics, just revamped.

And if I may say so, a problem with politics is such that it is a race to be in power rather then service of the people. I see that your gov suffers from a problem like ours. Transparency.

Artful Dodger: So.. the site "Accuracy in Media" is against common decency?? Even against stopping discrimination against women!!

And I must say.. The USA expects extradition to it's country and courts and yet this site does not want fairness in cases where USA people have committed crimes in other countries and hence extradition.

Bit of a joke site by all accounts!!