Czuch: If the duty weights more but it doesn't. It should be the will to offer health care, but it's about a billion you'd be unlike to go on cruise with except to sink the ship.

Czuch:  I'd say no to that.  It's no more a right than one has the "right" to a free home and free electricity.  How about free cars too?  Can't get to work without a car.  For that matter, everyone deserves a job too.  Even lazy do nothings! 

Those that can say yes to the above don't think straight in my view.  Hard work gets all of those things.  I grew up in a family of 9 and the only thing that was ever handed to me was a mop to clean up and my brothers old clothes. 

Artful Dodger:  Whoo hoo.. you go! I hear ya.. I started working at just barely 15..

Artful Dodger: I agree with ScarletRose and you AD....it is the 'nere do nothings of the earth that expect everything for nothing...........

Bernice: That 's like sect. 8 housing in the US, some have the audacity to complain about the location of their housing

Artful Dodger: Hang on.... the material 'freebies' are moot. We are talking healthcare. And regardless of even if their was maximum employment, thinking that is 100% of adults is a myth. This is an economic fact of the way things are.

And if you don't think healthcare is considered a morally right thing to have. Live without it then.

(V):I don't have to live without it.  I earn it.   Myself.  It's called personal responsibility. 

Artful Dodger: But you are asking that people in your country don't?

... Thought part of the American revolution was to get rid of the class system??

(V): Gee, I looked at all my previous posts on this topic and I can't find any posts where I asked that.  Maybe you could point it out for me.

Artful Dodger: So.. ok, I thought you implied that certain people should not have healthcare as a right, I didn't think it was a matter of a certain nationality.

So, who are these people?

(V): Access may be a fundamental right to every human being but free care isn't.

Artful Dodger: *sigh* we've been over 'free' with Czuch. Yes someone pays in one way or another... VAT, Income Tax, etc, etc, etc.

TANSTAFL!!

Doctors.. nurses, etc cannot expect not to earn even if it is a vocation. Equipment.. etc, etc.

And I think the idea is everyone pays. Through VAT, Income Tax, Corporate Tax, Duties, etc, etc, etc..

Everyone pays in some form or another over here... isn't that fair?

Yet.. over here, with regards to private sector contractors, they have to make a bid, they have to show that they will do the job.

Daylight robbery is a crime here. Several big building contractor firms found out that when they rigged construction job prices.

Is this sensible?