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Sujet: Re: Achievement

rabbitoid: Congrats on the achievement, i actually still need that one, maybe i should take auto pass off ha

14. Septembre 2010, 19:31:21

rabbitoid

Sujet: Re: Achievement

Gabriel Almeida: Ah, clowning backgammon, my favourite subject

I roll and move pieces
wait 2 weeks (for a "5 day tournament")
His eminence passes for the 10th time in a row
(can't do that in a hurry, you need 2 weeks to ponder the subject)
I roll and move
Wait 2 weeks
What a suspense!
His eminence passes for the 11th time in a row (you never know, something might have changed)
Wait 2 weeks
Continue to shift vacation days. You never know. Maybe the rabbit died of boredom?
Wait 2 weeks
What's the lifespan of a rabbit, anyway?

What do you know, I DID get an achievement for this game: "Force the opponent to pass the move 10 times in a row without using the autopass in a single game of backgammon or its variants."

Isn't life a treat

14. Septembre 2010, 16:27:39

Sujet: Achievement

modifié par Gabriel Almeida (14. Septembre 2010, 16:36:13)

Hi,

I don't know where to do it (it must be a DB for that stufs, for sure, but... there are so many DB!!!), but I would like to suggest another Achievement. Look at this game that I'm p+laying with Altermann, and you will note that I have 50 or more pieces (I haven't counted alter's pieces, but there are a lot, also). It's an epic game! :)

Could this be bolded with an achievement, in future?

14. Septembre 2010, 00:19:33

Sujet: Re:

MadMonkey: Yes, I agree... that could be the idea!

13. Septembre 2010, 13:00:44

MadMonkey

Sujet: Re:

furbster: Especially in Team Tournaments that are for the lesser played games, it would hopefully encourage more to try as you say

13. Septembre 2010, 12:54:57

Sujet: Re:

MadMonkey: i think brains for the winning team in a team tournament is a good idea, it'd encourage more people to play, and they would be more competitive

13. Septembre 2010, 12:40:08

MadMonkey

Sujet: Re:

Gabriel Almeida: It would be GREAT if ONCE a year Fencer set a few normal Tournaments and a few Team Tournaments with either Brains (or even Membership) as prizes

12. Septembre 2010, 19:10:57

Sujet: Re:

Fencer: Team Tournaments started with brain prizes. It would be great if you do that again, Fencer. It would be good for brains utlility, and to stronger/more dinamyc team tournaments...

11. Septembre 2010, 19:17:51

Sujet: Re:

ScarletRose: ahh i don't think they put mine n the right place ha

11. Septembre 2010, 18:41:54

Gouwe gozer

Sujet: Re:

ScarletRose: LOL

11. Septembre 2010, 18:24:38

ScarletRose

Sujet: Re:

furbster: hon.. everyone got their.. ahem.. Free Brain when they were born.. *giggle*

11. Septembre 2010, 16:42:30

coan.net

Sujet: Re:

MadMonkey: Wow, an old post. Just to put that post into context, that was BEFORE the current system of brains was in place where they are used to buy "REAL" things like membership.

An overview of the post - have a game site, a fake "currency" that people can earn - and then use that fake "currency" to buy special things - special things that would not take any actual money away from the site owner (like lost membership), but other little perks here and there - like maybe the ability to post in color for a week being something that can be purchased with the fake currency.

11. Septembre 2010, 16:28:47

MadMonkey

Sujet: Re:

Fencer: Have you thought anymore about the discussion that started back in 2004

HERE & HERE by coan.net

It sparked a discussion about having Brain Prizes for all Tournaments. It has been mentioned a few times since (i have it on my list for you

lol)

You thought it was a good idea at the time

any new thoughts on the matter

It would need a bit of thinking about, the only addition i would make is those being members of winning Teams get a Prize as well. (if only a few Brains)

11. Septembre 2010, 16:07:21

Fencer

Sujet: Re:

furbster: By referring new paying members.
And I prepare another option that should be much easier to everyone.

11. Septembre 2010, 15:56:21

Can anybody remember how to get the free brains, since we can no longer buy them at the moment?

5. Septembre 2010, 20:40:37

Vikings

Sujet: POND DISCUSSION

tenuki has responded to the acusations brought up about him, I have moved it over to the Run Around The Pond Board for those that are interested http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=77

any further post on the subject should be made on that board

4. Septembre 2010, 22:10:05

alilsassy

Sujet: Re: To those who think collaboration is OK

modifié par alilsassy (4. Septembre 2010, 22:17:01)

rabbitoid: Perfect example....IMO, it's cheating, simple as that!

collaboration is : to work jointly with others.....both ponds & poker should be an individual strategy, not a partnership with another player.

4. Septembre 2010, 20:46:51

rabbitoid

Sujet: To those who think collaboration is OK

Would you consider it OK if applied to poker too? allied players telling each other what their cards are? it's exactly the same principle.

4. Septembre 2010, 17:57:08

Sujet: Re: ponds

alexlee: I think this is not about ponds, but about BK politics.

4. Septembre 2010, 16:10:05

alexlee

Sujet: Re: ponds

Hrqls:
Thank you for seeing my point about "losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings." I really have a hard time thinking of this as team play? A game where 2 players sign up as a team and they know who all the teams are is fine. Ponds you sign up as a single player. If teams are allowed then create a pond for teams and that would be fair play for all.

There is a discussion board for ponds and that might be a better place for this? Members who do not play in ponds must be slightly bored with this by now.

4. Septembre 2010, 11:00:41

pedestrian

Sujet: Re: ponds

Hrqls: Both tenuki and Pedro Martínez are strong players, and I want to be able to respect them both. What they have achieved on this site has taken a lot of effort and deserves respect. And when one of them accuses the other of cheating, I still want to respect them both. Apparently, tenuki hasn't broken any rules even if there was team play - but the current discussion has shown that nobody (perhaps except Fencer) is really happy with this interpretation of the rules.

I do think it was wrong of Pedro to make public accussations, especially without proper evidence, and I have made that argument earlier in this discussion. But the problem is, I don't know what else he could have done. Clearly, if Fencer's position is that he doesn't really care and we shouldn't take the games too seriously, there's noone to turn to with your frustrations. I think that's the biggest problem here, and I think Fencer's disgraceful goodbye to Pedro confirmed this.

I don't like it here anymore, and I'll just finish the games I've started and not start any new ones. As for BrainKing3, I couldn't care less at this point.

4. Septembre 2010, 10:07:30

Hrqls

Sujet: ponds

personally i always think games should be played without help from anyone else ... ponds included .. i like the invidual acclompishment :)

but calling someone a cheater while he is just making use of the rules is too much

the issue with team play in ponds might be brought up in a discussion about ponds .. that has my full support

personally i think team play should not be allowed, and i think to remember from the earlier discussion that most players think about it that way

i fully respect tenuki and i dont think he has done anything wrong personally .. (although i didnt think about the rules about losing on purpose of bootsting ratings .. that indeed conflicts with the outcome of the former discussion (in which team play was not forbidden))

3. Septembre 2010, 23:32:59

wetware

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

Bwild wrote "I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime
memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the
sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members
leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner. "

Thanks. But mostly I have myself to blame. My love of variants got the better of my judgment. Live and learn: in the future, support responsive individuals and organizations.

3. Septembre 2010, 19:10:07

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

modifié par Gabriel Almeida (3. Septembre 2010, 19:13:57)

Bwild: KM story was never properly solved. I left this site for a while because of that. Purple let me (still) blocked because I asked what happened, and asked why should only KM members moderate checkers board. I was an active player than, and stopped playing it (and writting in that board) because of that. That's why I say: Brainking really "don't give a sh..." (as Fencer said) about cheating. That's what I said in PM to Martinez: we should play according to this rules. I don't like them, but I play only against who I want (who I trust). But it's wrong, in my opinion. Wrong and bad for the site. Other sites "died" because of that. Km group made the same (and still cheat) in IYT, for example. Giving up to fight this is a way to give a "slow death" to the site. I'm not criticizing, I repeat. I'm giving you (and Fencer) my opinion, in order to make (keep) brainking as a great games site, maybe the best of the world!

3. Septembre 2010, 19:03:29

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801: However, Rod, Bwild said something interesting, about "loosing on purpose...". It's another way to see the question...

I agree with snoopy too. We should listen to both sides of the story. Although, I think Martinez was not incorrect, and his observation has legitimacy.

3. Septembre 2010, 18:24:25

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

alexlee I already said it.

Read the rules of Ponds. Where does it say it's cheating. It was even brought up at the beginning of Ponds that it would NOT be considered cheating.

Unfair? Possibly, to many people. Again, I would NOT want to play in a pond where I knew people played like that.

3. Septembre 2010, 18:23:14

Bwild

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

Gabriel Almeida: "However, BK stays much poorer without Pedro Martinez."
I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner.
when the KM members were finally exposed for being cheaters and thieves...it took a lot to get any action from the owner, and they are right back in our midst.
IF...and I say IF...bk3 ever evolves,its my understanding there will be no more fellowships.
well..imo...if theres no fellowships, and cheating is allowed...why pay to play?

3. Septembre 2010, 18:21:24

alexlee

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801:
User agreement >>Game Guidelines:

NO CHEATING. This includes using outside programs to help play and losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings. Your account may be banned, and ratings will be removed.

Why wouldn't ponds be like any other game at BK? It says "losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings."

3. Septembre 2010, 18:20:04

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

Gabriel Almeida: Yes, I DO agree completely. I wouldn't personally play that way.

I guess my point is that it isn't fair to publicly crucify someone for something that isn't TECHNICALLY cheating.

3. Septembre 2010, 18:17:28

Snoopy

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

Gabriel Almeida: there are always 2 sides to every story and
im waiting on hearing what the accused says on the subject

3. Septembre 2010, 18:02:33

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801: Yes, I understand... I didn't explained myself properly. I mean that it can be acceptable according to the rules, but it's morally (in my opinion) unfair and unnacceptable, because players don't play with the same chances. Is like a "horde chess game" or "Mancala game" if 1 player always play with white. A fair game, in my opinion, should give to both players the same possibilities, and the winner should be the player who have more inteligence, strategy, luck, whatever... not the one who have more "relations" Unless it is a game of "relations", as we have some in internet. That's my point.

In other words... it can be legal, but it's still unfair!

3. Septembre 2010, 17:54:02

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

Gabriel Almeida: But it's NOT the rules. Where in the rules do you read that? And it has been stated in the past that there was not going to be restrictions on "team play".

3. Septembre 2010, 17:18:42

Sujet: Re: ponds & team play

Hrqls: Rules are rules, but... this is OBVIOUSLY cheating (latu sensu), as some players as MORE CHANCES to win than others, not because of their inteligence/strategy/luck, but because of their "connections". As a game, it's absolutelly unnacceptable!

3. Septembre 2010, 14:36:34

Sujet: Cheating stuffs

modifié par Gabriel Almeida (3. Septembre 2010, 16:47:14)

Brainking never cared about it. It's a "political business". As brainking's owner, Fencer is free to do whatever he wants. However, BK stays much poorer without Pedro Martinez. Couldn't this be solved more peacefully, Fencer? That "Fine,..." it's a "I want you to leave", and it's not honourable for you and the site.

3. Septembre 2010, 10:54:02

Hrqls

Sujet: ponds & team play

the whole issue about ponds is :

is team play allowed ?

this topic has been discussed before (i think on the ponds board)
if i remember correctly the outcome was that team play was allowed, although many players didnt like it

this means that its not cheating to have someone tell you your bid for the next round .. so that he can bid 1 higher

3. Septembre 2010, 06:15:56

tyyy

Hey, the Phillies won tonight! just saying

3. Septembre 2010, 05:50:17

Sujet: Re: I will ask again???

Bernice: Once wasn't enough? If there is an answer, it will come. It has been brought up.

3. Septembre 2010, 05:47:54

Bernice

Sujet: I will ask again???

How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member..

can't anybody do anything about this?

3. Septembre 2010, 04:50:17

Sujet: Re: How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member?

alilsassy: In a fellowship? Sure why not? It was theirs. There have been plenty of times though when Fencer has made adjustments for people in fellowships when this was the case. If someone bothered to ask, I'll bet something would be done.

Lets be realistic, there really are times, when things really aren't pressing or an emergency. They only get brought up when someone has a reason for doing it.

If you really want me to spend time going through all the boards that haven't had posts in months, deleting those mods, I'll be happy to do it. Didn't seem that important at the time. If it is a concern, it can certainly be done though. I suppose perhaps you are interested in helping to moderate those boards with pawn moderators? It can certainly be brought up, if so. We are always looking for "fresh ones" who want to help out.

3. Septembre 2010, 04:48:31

Vikings

Sujet: Re: How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member?

alilsassy: yes as long as it is the same account

3. Septembre 2010, 04:46:06

alilsassy

Sujet: Re: How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member?

rod03801:Thanks for updating your board Rod, but I was only using that as an example....this is an issue over many boards, as well as a few fellowships. Just curious how long a fellowship (with no LB) stays active after the BB becomes a pawn? Can this account return to BK a year later and resume the position as if they were never gone?

3. Septembre 2010, 04:36:05

Sujet: Re: How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member?

alilsassy: Well yes, at the time, I thought she would come back as a paid member. But do you notice when the last posts were before tonight? It hasn't exactly been a pressing issue. I have removed her now, I hope that is satisfactory.

3. Septembre 2010, 04:33:28

alilsassy

Sujet: Re: How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member?

Bernice: I would think positions such as Moderator's would be held for paying members. If Fencer felt redfrog was suitable for the position then maybe he should donate a membership to him. lol
I see there's a lot of that going on here with pawns holding moderator positions, for example: Members only board.

Kind of ironic to see a non-member holding the power. "This discussion board is available for paying members only - anybody with the membership level Brain Bishop or higher." (no offense against this individual...I just think it's time for an update)

3. Septembre 2010, 04:15:07

Vikings

Sujet: Re:

rod03801: I agree with Rod, I will also be deleting further post (without warning or notice to anyone that has been warned in the past) on any board that is inappropriate.

3. Septembre 2010, 04:13:03

And any further silly BICKERING will be deleted as well, and will result in bans if necessary. If there is intelligent conversation that can be had on the topic, without fighting, then that is fine. This IS NOT going to be a free for all.

3. Septembre 2010, 04:11:11

Sujet: Re:

Bernice: No, enough is enough. I WILL be deleting further posts containing items that have always been considered against the rules, regardless of what Fencer posted. PERIOD.

3. Septembre 2010, 04:09:47

Bernice

Sujet: Re:

modifié par Bernice (3. Septembre 2010, 04:11:28)

rod03801: calm down little fella...you will have a heart attack....if what you say is correct then Fencer is an idiot.....**** we can all take his example and post whatever......calm down now, take it gently wee one.

3. Septembre 2010, 03:46:21

Sujet: Re:

Bernice: Too frightened? You are commenting on something you know nothing about. Globals/Mods have ZERO ability to edit or delete Fencer's posts. I would hope you have seen me enough on this site to know that I take it all VERY seriously, and have privately stated my opinion to Fencer on how I feel about his post. I can do NO more than that, whether YOU choose to believe it or not.

3. Septembre 2010, 01:56:57

Bernice