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8. Mars 2010, 17:55:47
tyyy 
Sujet: Re:
(V): I don't like Zoos.. they smell too much.. how about an interactive web site?

8. Mars 2010, 17:53:28
Ferris Bueller 
Sujet: Re: Growing low-oxygen zones in oceans worry scientists
Tuesday:   Good post from Mclatchy.  It basically states that global warming has been continuous due to depleted oxygen in the ocean related to global warming.  The article cites Oceanographers & studiers of marine biology.  I would trust them more to indicate that global warming has taken place since 1998 than the absolute claims by weathermen who appear on the O'Really Factor to do the bidding of big oil companies.  Just my humble opinion.

8. Mars 2010, 17:10:23
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
GTCharlie: Zoo's will be more popular, they can hang a sign "extinct. biodiversity levels to small in the wild to continue". People can pay to have their photo taken!!

8. Mars 2010, 16:29:24
tyyy 
ahhhh you're too quick!!!

8. Mars 2010, 16:28:05
tyyy 
sorry...just kidding,, don't get mad, i love animals also

8. Mars 2010, 16:27:17
tyyy 
well ..looking on the bright side of things, less polar bears should mean more seals for the Canadians to hunt and club..right???

8. Mars 2010, 09:03:04
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: And isn't it true that the number of scientists in the USA exceeds the 2 million mark so 31K is not a big proportion. about 1-2%.

Isn't it true that with regards to data on polar bear population that in most cases they cannot be sure, with many population figures coming back as "unknown".

7. Mars 2010, 23:04:15
Pedro Martínez 

7. Mars 2010, 22:43:59
Mort 
... one as I said

7. Mars 2010, 22:41:22
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: Why? You know I'm right.

7. Mars 2010, 22:39:09
Mort 
Sujet: Re: global warming "deniers"
Artful Dodger: The arguments? Is this some strange reference to a Monty Python sketch??

7. Mars 2010, 22:36:52
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: No Art, I do not make things up. Go look, prove I am wrong or accept your sources are a bit biased.

7. Mars 2010, 22:35:34
Mort 
Sujet: Re: global warming "deniers"
Artful Dodger: Bill Nye knows the science, I see no mention of having the qualifications to do so..... mechanical engineering, he's qualified in that field. Nothing I can see about matters to do with climate.

7. Mars 2010, 22:23:38
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: Yes I found sources on the web. You can too very easily. And I guess you already know this, or suspect such information.

Hey it's today go have a cuppa and relax and let the web inform you.

7. Mars 2010, 22:16:32
Ferris Bueller 
Sujet: Re: global warming "deniers"

Artful Dodger:  My local weather lady, who is quite nice on the eyes I might add, is also a meteorologist & knows the science quite well, also.  But, she does not presume to be an expert on global warming.  Niether, to the best of my knowledge, does she do work for big oil cos.  IMHO qualifications do matter.  Monetary interests does have an influence on opinion.  The fact that these 2 guys appeared on O'Reilly Factor does not make them experts.  My guess is that they were doing it for showmanship.  Or, to represent their moneyed interests.  Same for those people who appear on Keith Olberman (sp?)


As for for the absolute assertion that there has been no global warming since 1998, I'm not a scientist & I can't say for sure (& neither can you).  But, I can say that the vast majority of scientists don't hold that view, or the view that a lot of global warming is not man made.


7. Mars 2010, 16:54:55
Mort 
Sujet: Re: global warming "deniers"
modifié par Mort (7. Mars 2010, 18:44:52)
Ferris Bueller: Since a big wrong prediction in the 80's here no weather man is stupid enough to say "my prediction on weather is 100%".

Did you guys in the USA get any acid rain by chance in the last 20 years or so? The type caused by pollution that killed forests??

7. Mars 2010, 16:51:37
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
modifié par Mort (7. Mars 2010, 16:56:18)
Vikings: I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you consider efficient, I'm still waiting for you to report on your bank's and their bonuses.

But hey... Republicans here seem to be above such honesty and perspective. Hence my comparison of private business and government, both run by humans. as I don't know your personal view on what is considered well run!

btw.. those prisoners in the USA jails who make for the USA military such things as body armour and battle helmets.... how is the equipment holding up?

From a British point of view I can see how you guys from the USA might have problems with perspectivity and relativity, after all... during the Northern ireland war (involving terrorists) many private people in the USA gave money which ended up paying for weapons that killed civilians over here as well as soldiers and police.

After 9/11, right wingers moaned about the French, who supplied info on another terrorist attack attempt which with the help of the Canadians stopped said attempt. Just because they did not agree with Bush.

7. Mars 2010, 10:11:21
Vikings 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
(V): Uhm, I.m still waiting for that well run government system, instead of you changing the point

7. Mars 2010, 08:50:35
Mort 
Sujet: Re: It pays to check out the stories. Chalk another one up to me.
Artful Dodger: There are those on the right that say we do not have any impact for from man on the world, there are those on the left who say we are all going to die!!

.. Actually, we have many on the right saying we are all going to die but that is a loose interpretation of a certain chapter in a book.

Meanwhile cheap palm oil that food manufacturers are using so happily is fast helping a certain close cousin of our genetically become extinct or a zoo only feature.

7. Mars 2010, 08:44:23
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Vikings: Why did the Bin Laden family leave the USA? How many cases of corporate manslaughter have been filed against USA companies.

Nasa didn't scrap the moon flights, Obama did to save money. The current planned system was a joke and pre dates the current admin, they stopped a farce. Certain drug companies have issued false claims and made billions from drugs that don't work or unsafe.. how, by bombarding the government depts with two much information or supressing facts.

.. That's a world wide issue and has in the USA alone led to a case of over 10,000 people suing the company over diabetes caused by a prescribed drug.

The tobacco companies knew pre 70's of the cancer risk due to tobacco smoking, etc. .. I've seen the files personally due to a job I did relating to a UK class action.

Taxes, everyone tries to evade that. How many billions in off shore accounts.

1000's of UK building companies got caught fixing prices for projects all around the UK. The ripped off clients, were public, private and charities.

I hear Medicare and aid in the USA are bankrupt due to charges made by private hospitals and doc's that are way over the top. Is there any truth in this?

As for social networks.. Don't really use facebook and the likes!!

And how much (you did not answer) are your bank bonuses this year. I hear all the banks are crying "if we don't pay out billions in bonuses the eggheads will leave and join other companies."

... Madoff.

7. Mars 2010, 08:28:41
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Artful Dodger: Art.... are you trying to tell me you like government health after all? Have you been in denial????

As for you lies, etc about various parties and their members. No side is clean and due to that. No side can try and claim the moral high ground.

7. Mars 2010, 08:24:54
Ferris Bueller 
Sujet: Re: global warming "deniers"
Artful Dodger:  I will admit that Joe Bastardi puts on a compelling show for your friends Bill O'Reilly & Glenn Beck.  But, he is a weatherman, not a scientist.  He is also on the dole of big oil which could be suspicious. In addition, he predicts the weather with an air of complete certainty.  Nobody can be that certain about the weather.  I agree that no science can be absolute, & no one can say explicitely when the world will end by global warming.  But, the vast majority of scientist agree that there is a man made component to global warming.  Based upon this evidence, I side on the need for gov't regulation to stem this trend.  It may happen anyway, but I think we can do things to delay it.

7. Mars 2010, 08:23:33
Mort 
Research shows that polar bear figures made in the 70's were an estimate and still are as counting them is hard. There are 19 sub species listed over various areas of the Artic circle of which only 1 seems to be on the increase. Much of any inrease will be due to the fact we've stopped hunting them to extinction.

No-one can give an accurate figure on actual numbers.

7. Mars 2010, 02:43:15
Vikings 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Today, there are aprox 25,000 Poler bears where as in the 1970's there were only about 5,000. and they can swim for miles, so these images are just another part of the global warming hoax

7. Mars 2010, 01:54:34
Bernice 
I can feel love in the air

7. Mars 2010, 00:31:47
Vikings 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
(V): I also noticed how you steered away from social network systems

7. Mars 2010, 00:30:37
Vikings 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Pedro Martínez: agreed, especially when it comes to federal judges

7. Mars 2010, 00:28:59
Pedro Martínez 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Vikings: Let me add that the justice system is at the very bottom of the list of the ineffective U.S. “government-run” systems.

7. Mars 2010, 00:25:33
Vikings 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
modifié par Vikings (7. Mars 2010, 00:26:45)
(V): well, lets answer these, shall we
The FBI, do you remember a thing called 9-11, the FBI and other law agencies refused to share information and I don't think I have to remind you what happened, real efficient
NASA, just this week they have scrapped the moon missions, but they are not scrapping the money that has been appropriated for it, now the head of NASA is in bed with the global warming bunkist.
police, well that is a local issue not a federal issue
taxes, funny how you seem to forget that many of the administration have evaded paying their taxes including the secretary of the Treasury, oh yea , have you ever tried reading a tax code

I am still waiting for a legitimate answer

7. Mars 2010, 00:12:16
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Vikings: The FBI have pretty good record, NASA went to the moon. Your police works, taxes seem to be collected.

.. depends on what you classify as efficient. With respect in employment about 95% is efficient.

How are your bank's bonuses this year?

6. Mars 2010, 23:14:34
Ferris Bueller 
Sujet: Re: global warming "deniers"
Artful Dodger:   You state unequivically that "One fact is that there has not been any warming since 1998."  Your so big on everyone who disagrees with you backing up their assertions.  Where did you get that one from?

6. Mars 2010, 23:00:54
Vikings 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
modifié par Vikings (6. Mars 2010, 23:01:33)
(V): Name one American government system other than the military that is run efficiently

6. Mars 2010, 21:23:25
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Artful Dodger: I can back up from your posts that you hark on about government fraud than any other type, anyone can see that!! ;)

I can back up from your posts that you think a government based health system is akin to having your feet licked by sheep (an old toture system) .. yet I can also say that a government based system is more accountable to joe public than your current health companies are. Which is something you need in the USA.

I can also say that a recent case of a paramedic denying to resusitate (sp) a man in the UK because he was by opinion... thought to be too fat is a crime. In the USA I've heard people denied treatment over stupid reasons such as "you didn't tick a box".

I know our NHS is not perfect, but as always the option to have private healthcare from national companies is available to those who wish to pay for it. As I said national.. no county to county rubbish... state to state to those in the USA.

Greed is a human thing, one of the seven deadly sins ain't it ;)

6. Mars 2010, 19:23:42
Mort 
to be balanced....

6. Mars 2010, 19:21:28
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Ok, so without your usual nonsense when challenged, how about you make your best case to support the above assertion?
Artful Dodger: I'm sorry Art, but I like to balanced. The attitude you give off when sniping at Obama and anything not Republican or American Conservative is that everyone else has horns and your 'guys' have halo's and are at the right hand of the I AM.

That Obama and liberal minded people invented fraud....

.... Very old British records of army spending show kings in the past concerned over how each penny is spent, long before socialism (apart from some talk by some guy called Jesus and others of his ilk) was ever invented as an economic concept.

I guess the merchants back then liked profit!!

6. Mars 2010, 19:09:34
Mort 
Sujet: Re: Obama and his teleprompter
Artful Dodger: Sorry to inform you, but teleprompters have been around for some time... they are not new news. I would have thought you'd heard of them, but I guess sometimes we can miss the introduction of new tech.. and the after effects in oops tv clips!! ;)

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