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10. Octobre 2009, 20:58:08
Übergeek 바둑이 
Sujet: Re: Dr., Lamont Hill, PH.D
Artful Dodger:

> Hitler could have been stopped early if the governments weren't so wimpy about war.

There are three interpretations of the appeasement policy that Neville Chamberlain followed prior to the war.  For those who don't know much about it, here is a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

One interpretation is like yours.  Neville Chamberlain was weak and he should have declared war immediately.

The second interpretation is that Neville Chamberlain thought that Hitler was not big a threat and appeasing him would simply make him give up his imperialistic ambitions because Poland and Czechoslovakia were more than enough land for the Third Reich to expand.

The third interpretation is more realistic.  England had to make war preparations prior to engaging Hitler's Third Reich.  Since England, France and the US were not ready for war, they were stalling for time and giving Hitler Czechoslovakia and Poland meant that they could prepare prior to entering a full scale war.

All of these three interpretations have validity to some extent.

There is a fourth interpretation, and the one I believe.  Hitler was given control of Poland and Czechoslovakia because Hitler was promising to do the one thing that all the western superpowers wanted.  England and France traded economically with Germany until the start of the war, and the US traded with Hitler until 1942 when the Trading with the Enemy Act was enforced.  Until then, America's most powerful families were doing business with Germany and the American government never talks about this.  What is it that Hitler was going to do?  What was Hitler going to accomplish?  Hitler was promising to destroy the Soviet Union and all western superpowers wanted that.  It is why Americans traded with Hitler until 1942.  It is why New York was the main banking conduit for the Nazis and why Switzerland and Sweden were some of the main industrial suppliers of the Third Reich.  Specially Sweden, which provided about 50% of Germany's steel during the war.  They appeased Hitler because they hated communists more than they hated Nazis.  It was a simple as that.

This interpretation is never talked about in history books because it would imply that the Allies actually wanted Hitler to succeed.  In this interpretation western superpowers are not heroic defenders of freedom, but accomplices in war crimes that left as many as 23 million soviets dead.  Nobody likes this interpretation, so nobody talks about it.

10. Octobre 2009, 22:37:17
Mort 
Sujet: Re: There is a fourth interpretation, and the one I believe. Hitler was given control of Poland and Czechoslovakia because Hitler was promising to do the one thing that all the western superpowers wanted.
Übergeek 바둑이: I've heard little snippets on the subject, but nothing to this scale. I find it scandalous that USA companies (as it is true) were trading with and supporting Hitler while Europe was either taken over or fighting the German war machine. I find it even more disgusting that even after the 1941 attack on Pearl harbour that USA companies are still trading with Hitler and that an act has to be made to stop trading with enemies!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Provides a good read.

The UK had nothing to stop Hitler... the only thing that protected us was Hitler's love of England. If he'd ordered an invasion of the UK after Dunkirk... nothing could have stopped him, we were lucky for what is referred to as the "phoney war" and radar. N' that the German war machine sought to rid us of air power first.

11. Octobre 2009, 00:06:55
Papa Zoom 
Sujet: Re: Dr., Lamont Hill, PH.D
Übergeek 바둑이:  Your fourth interpretation does seem the most plausible, considering what else we know of history and how governments often encourage one government over another to keep the lessor one in check.  But that interpretation still validates my point.  Such approaches never fully work in the long run.  They are the wimpy way out.  And there were many signs that such an approach to Germany was akin to letting a tiger out of its cage.

As for Chamberlin, he clearly was weak in his approach to Hitler.  When a country such as Germany, makes a promise and then breaks it, then makes another and breaks that one too, it's not rocket science to figure out that there's a fox in the hen house.  

As for: "They appeased Hitler because they hated communists more than they hated Nazis.  It was a simple as that."

Nothing in world politics is ever simple. 

11. Octobre 2009, 00:54:13
tyyy 
Sujet: Re: Dr., Lamont Hill, PH.D
Artful Dodger:of course the Soviets had no problem with Hitler when it came to making deals to split Poland though, and of course silly Finland didn't want to stay !! poor communists!  no one can be trusted  no wonder they forcibly replaced free Poland and Czech governments after the war

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