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12. Mars 2010, 20:23:42

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Sujet: Re: Where the left is totally screwing up America.

Artful Dodger: corruption is a problem going from all sides. And the No Child Left Behind system isn't exactly helping..

I find it interesting that while Jeb Bush said the schools under his jurisdiction were all 'A' rated, 78% failed under NCLB rules.

I find also that the NEA is trying to stop and end contracts that prevent the best teachers working in poor schools and those who serve minorities.

..... spin has it's place, but like most spin it only tells part of the story. Eg the Conservative party blame Labour for policy 'X', yet back in the days of Maggie policy 'X' was made and introduced by the Conservative government. Like with many policy 'X' type screw ups.. it's too expensive to change, or.. other matters have a higher priority.

12. Mars 2010, 21:40:55

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Sujet: Re: iberal agenda and how they keep the poor poor in order to secure their vote. The idea is to keep them needy of the liberals so that the liberals can stay in power.

Artful Dodger: And your actual proof of this is???

The point of your post was to make out that liberals are worse than conservatives.

... yet in your post, you are admitting that any mess in the education system is not purely down to the liberals. It's a case of you (liberals and conservatives) not forgetting party politics and uncalled unneeded personality bashing and joining together. Quite frankly the USA being a young united country I can understand why. We here went through the same hogwash after our civil war.

And if the NEA is like the UK unions for teachers (and I would like honesty here, not anti-union old score hogwash) then .. well, let us just say they will disagree with some policies. Some government policies are a waste of time and just create more work. The input and protection the teachers unions over here is vital.

12. Mars 2010, 21:49:02

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Sujet: Re: iberal agenda and how they keep the poor poor in order to secure their vote. The idea is to keep them needy of the liberals so that the liberals can stay in power.

Artful Dodger: Where is your proof, policy, legislation, etc..

As Pedro said, you ask us to provide. Where is your actual proof?

And you did say.. "True. And NCLB is one of the worst pieces of legislation to come out of Washington in a long time. Perhaps it means well but it handicaps most schools."

Bush made this policy, not liberals... it's kinda shooting yourself in the foot!!

12. Mars 2010, 21:58:21

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Sujet: Re: iberal agenda and how they keep the poor poor in order to secure their vote. The idea is to keep them needy of the liberals so that the liberals can stay in power.

Artful Dodger: As I thought no proof, just conservative spin. And no, I have produced evidence, much more than yourself.

Yet I choose to think you know on somethings I am reporting accurately.. just you are stubborn so bite me

12. Mars 2010, 22:05:04

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Sujet: Re: iberal agenda and how they keep the poor poor in order to secure their vote. The idea is to keep them needy of the liberals so that the liberals can stay in power.

Artful Dodger: Where is the raw data, no spin.. data.

I am a bit like a certain Mother Superior from the Dune books who asked for an info file but got no guts and notes. It's meaningless in such a form. As it is laced with political hogwash rather then pure info.

12. Mars 2010, 22:14:11

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Sujet: Re: Where is your actual proof?

modifié par Mort (12. Mars 2010, 22:14:37)

Artful Dodger: No I don't know you are right. Is it right that before 1994 the Republican policy on education was different and then the GOP fell in love with BIG government and federal interference in education?

I am looking on the web as we speak, and I am seeing nothing really to back you up, so I am looking for you to provide the data.

Otherwise I'll just consider this just another right wing conservative bash (same with all extremist groups.. left, right or central) on liberals.

We see it in PM's question time. It's just rhubarb!!

.. sorry to all those rhubarb lovers... I know it's a great fruit!!