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Sujet: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: They.. are an endangered species, we've been killing them for sport.. this is not sport. Ban abortions and you'll go back to the times of backstreet abortions. That was a barbaric time with many women dying from botch jobs. Yes, I agree abortion is not nice.. but so can dying from being told your body is not yours when it comes to some things.
Sujet: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: No there are two bodies. But babies can be born parasitic and by the nature of a pregnancy there is not quite a parasitic relationship, but it can be a battle.
.. without certain hormones the woman's body will treat the baby as a foreign organism. The baby attaches and feeds off the woman and cause harm in order to gain independent life.
But that is the biological machinary designed so complicated organic life forms can reproduce.
Another factor to consider. What happens if the woman who has been raped cannot stand carrying the child? Such trauma can take a LONG time to heal. If she chooses to discorporate.. then what?
Sujet: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: Genesis says God breathed life into a body God made.. two seperate things .. a body and a lifeforce we generally call spirit or soul or both. By putting life into a body it implies that the body is just a vessel for life.
Sujet: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: It's like the flood... There was one big one same as there was a volcanic eruption that gave way to the Reed sea having a Tsunami but telling also.. Noah got drunk after all his work, his kids got ashamed of him. Stories within stories.
Sujet: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: The OT was written using a 4 deep meaning system, ie.. 4 layers of messages in everything. Proverbs tells us that God created wisdom (who is female in OT text) before anything else. In Genesis we see that we are created twice.. The first of spirit a male/female combination representing the different aspects of our spiritual side.. secondly physical in male and female form.
we are more than just a body.. you can kill a body, ie transform it into a non functioning biological machine that carries conciousness. Can you kill spirit/mind/conciousness?
Sujet: Re: Unborn bald eagles have more rights and protection in the U.S. than unborn human babies.
Tuesday: ... if Abortion is banned you will get babies turning up in trash cans. You might due to 'idology' find women killing themselves over the shame.
That split between not being able to kill the self and the body being not self is why I'm for limited but not unlimited availability to abortion. Just as I am for euthanasia.
Sujet: Re: Because we are complex, unique and have free will.
Tuesday: I have to defer on agreeing on the unique.. All sorts of talk about probabilities because of the size of the universe and multi-verses these days.... I could be King of England in one verse!!
Tuesday: No we would not. That we know we live in a universe is something that was found out less than 60 years old. We know so little, that the ability to find planets around other stars is less then 10 years old. Pluto was reclassified not long ago as the existence of other planets (dwarf planets) beyond Pluto has been confirmed as the tech to see that deep in our own local space has gotten better.
As for official confirmation of ET visiting.. that was confirmed in a sense not that long ago when an Canadian ex minister whistle blew the USA cover up.
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