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23. Mars 2009, 00:37:55
The Usurper 
Sujet: Re: The significance of this quote is that it reveals the elite conspiracy.
Czuch: "What would be the great conquest of making the US part of a new world order? How do I benefit by joining a secret conspiracy to dupe the american public into opting into some new world government?"

There are different motives. One of the motives is a humane, but misguided, idealism. For example, H.G. Wells wrote The Open Conspiracy/New World Order over a hundred years ago. He argued that we had to abolish national governments and create a world government in order to stop wars and to feed people. It had to be socialism so that wise people at the top could control things for the stupid people at the bottom, for their own good. You see? So people like H.G. Wells aren't on a mission to enslave people and take away their rights & rule them with an iron fist PER SE...they just think it is a necessary means to a good end. You may think of H.G. Wells just as a fiction writer. But he was very political, and one of the founding members of the Fabian society.

The people who think this way are Fabian socialists, and they created institutions like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and even the United Nations, to bring this future utopia about. Most of our presidents since WWII and high level people in every branch of government, the media, finance & industry, think tanks & non-profit organizations are/have been members of the CFR.

Even though these people are idealistic and supposedly humanitarian, they recognize the necessity of breaking apart what exists now in order to create something better in its place. So the aim is "to smash the world to bits, and remold it to the heart's desire." Thus the wars, the economic chaos, etc.

I think the inner circle of this conspiracy does not pretend to be humanitarian, but has a clearer picture of what world government really entails, and a different motive. How would this benefit them? It would create a relatively stable world with no opposition in which they can rule & live the good life at the expense of others. Nothing is very surprising about this. It's about consolidation of power & control over human beings. Not everyone is like you and I, Czuch...content more or less to be left alone. Which is why restrictions on power in a government, such as the Constitution with its Bill of Rights, are so necessary.

23. Mars 2009, 03:17:42
Czuch 
Sujet: Re: The significance of this quote is that it reveals the elite conspiracy.
The Usurper: One of the motives is a humane, but misguided, idealism.

That is exactly what I dislike about liberals and the socialist left in the US!

That is exactly what they stand for, and what they think they want and i dont think most of them understand the consequences of what they are asking for, really.

That is exactly why I vote conservative, the lessor of two evils

23. Mars 2009, 03:33:52
The Usurper 
Sujet: Re: The significance of this quote is that it reveals the elite conspiracy.
Czuch: "That is exactly what I dislike about liberals and the socialist left in the US! That is exactly what they stand for, and what they think they want and i dont think most of them understand the consequences of what they are asking for, really."

I agree with you. As a matter of fact, I was an idealist of this class who thought socialism in some form was the best answer. What changed my mind was seeing the End Game of this political process. More specifically, that at the highest levels, it is a game of deceit & treachery, both against our Constitution and against true humanitarianism.

"That is exactly why I vote conservative, the lessor of two evils"

I think you are making the same mistake I was making, from the opposite end, so to speak. The Neo-Cons & the Republican party fully support this Fabian socialist model of one world collectivism in their policies & laws, only they couch it in different terms for mass consumption. The only true conservative in the new Republican party, to my knowledge, is Ron Paul. The rest of them....Newt Gingrich, George Bush, Billy Crystal, Dick Cheney, and on & on....are members of the CFR and are working for world government.

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