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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Yes that was me voting for Danica Patrick

happyjuggler0: Which court would that be in?

11. unora 2014, 04:14:45

happyjuggler0

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O čem je toďten plk: Yes that was me voting for Danica Patrick

Přetvořeny oževatelem happyjuggler0 (11. unora 2014, 04:16:21)

I voted in a BrainKing poll, as I often do when they are available.

This poll was about Nascar, which I know virtually nothing about. Which means I probably (certainly?) should have voted for "Don't watch NASCAR". But I didn't. Instead I checked out the odds on some website that google gave me, and found out that Danica Patrick was only 40-1 against, and so I voted for her.

The missing subtext is that lots of people simple HATE her, despite her being a solid racer at worst. So I chose to be "that guy" who voted for her.

Sue me if you don't like it.

*edit: punctuation

5. unora 2014, 19:28:55

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Upgrade!

Aganju: Actually, I find it more likely that more features and functionalities will be removed.

5. unora 2014, 17:24:19

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O čem je toďten plk: Upgrade!

Přetvořeny oževatelem Aganju (6. unora 2014, 02:57:52)

Did you all see? BrainKing is getting an upgrade! New games? New features? New operating system patch?
I am afraid it is the latter only...

5. unora 2014, 12:23:23

Carpe Diem

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Carpe Diem: Quite a coincidence, I just came up against this very situation, and made a different move than I would have previously. But I forgot to follow my own advice and tell my opponent why I moved the piece I did. :(

4. unora 2014, 14:58:56

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power:It's alright I am sure I will enjoy it again.

4. unora 2014, 14:12:19

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Přetvořeny oževatelem cd power (4. unora 2014, 14:16:41)

Resher: This game was talked about in the Untouchables fellowship... I found it in the fellowship thread. That's how I know what happened.

Everyone interprets rules differently, that's why I asked for clarification in my original post. Also, per Aganju's request, further discussion should take place on the backgammon board: http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=26

LOL Crosseyed... sorry to ruin it for you!

4. unora 2014, 12:40:39

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Resher:

(1) I don't know. You may have discussed the game in a fellowship.
(2) The rule says that if (a) opponent has collected all his checkers onto the one point behind player's prime, then (b) the player must unblock a point in his prime to allow the opponent a chance to move.

The situation described as (a) did not occur in your game, hence (b) did not (or would not) have to be enforced.

4. unora 2014, 12:14:31

Resher

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Pedro Martínez:
(1) How would cd power know I'd pointed out the rule to Zach then? I was guessing he had special status, rather than everyone could see the comments.
(2) Why do you think that? Apart from one stone on my 1-point (which can't move) all other stones are behind a six prime, so can't move either. Please explain how you interpret the rule.

4. unora 2014, 12:07:40

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Resher:

(1) We cannot see your in-game comments.
(2) The rule being discussed does not apply to the situation in question (Move 25) in your game with Zach.

4. unora 2014, 09:36:37

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Marshmud: I used to really enjoy playing Fegva now I don't think I will enjoy it so much now.

4. unora 2014, 09:09:56

Resher

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: Thanks for finding this game - it's exactly the one I've been trying to find. Zach was very good about this game. He was about to win by just one roll, but because he had delayed unblocking by one roll earlier on, he offered a draw. So this shows it can affect the outcome - it doesn't just apply to hopelessly lost cases that don't matter.

(I didn't realise that you could read all our in-game comments - is that some special privilege you have?)

4. unora 2014, 05:02:18

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Přetvořeny oževatelem Aganju (4. unora 2014, 05:03:37)

cd power: Actually, we should take this whole thread to the Backgammon Board; it is really not of 'common interest' to all BrainKing (-> http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=26)

4. unora 2014, 04:53:31

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Aganju: Here is another example (which I researched from a fellowship game) -- Resher pointed out the rule to Zach, and Zach later offered a draw in good sportsmanship because he didn't open up the spot on time. Click on move 25: Fevga (Zach vs. Resher)

4. unora 2014, 04:48:18

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: you are right, it applies at move 27 (http://brainking.com/en/ShowGame?g=6542931&i=53). at move 25, White could still move 2 -> 1(which it did). Black correctly followed the rule and opened, right when required (but maybe accidentally?).

4. unora 2014, 04:43:51

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Aganju: Actually, if you click back on move 25, he was blocking 8-9-10 also, so yes, the rule applies here

4. unora 2014, 04:03:16

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Marshmud: If you would be blocking 10, 9, 8 in addition, then he had no move whatever he rolls, and you would be required to open anyone of 10,9,8,7,6,5.

4. unora 2014, 04:01:12

Papa Zoom

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

likewowman2cool: I"m not sure I knew of this rule. I think I probably exploited that glitch a few times.

4. unora 2014, 03:02:01

likewowman2cool

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Marshmud: No, it is not an example of the rule.

The rule is that if on all rolls it is impossible for your opponent to move, then you must open up a space that he or she can move into.

4. unora 2014, 02:30:37

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: Is this a example of the rule? So by the rule I need to open my prime since all the other pieces are in my home area?

Fevga (Elly1962 vs. Marshmud)

3. unora 2014, 23:06:20

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Roberto Silva: You are correct. Thus, I will take Pedro's advice from the other day and not take the rules too seriously! Thanks everyone for their input... I can close this case now :)

3. unora 2014, 22:59:35

Roberto Silva

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: on the subject of perpetual check, with the exception of stalemate, no other draw rules are enforced by the server.

3. unora 2014, 22:52:09

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Přetvořeny oževatelem crosseyed_uk (3. unora 2014, 22:52:19)

cd power:

I only play the easy games.

3. unora 2014, 22:47:01

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Přetvořeny oževatelem cd power (3. unora 2014, 22:47:53)

crosseyed: I'm sure there are other rules on this site that are not enforced. For example, in chess, perpetual check is allowed and can force a draw that way. In Chinese Chess, perpetual check is not allowed and the person doing the check must break it off... hence, no forced draw. However, even though that is a published rule for chinese chess, it is not enforced on this site.

3. unora 2014, 22:34:12

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Aganju:

I am getting really confused now. I guess I should have read the rules.

3. unora 2014, 22:32:27

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

crosseyed: There is another rule that says you cannot prime (completely block) your own starting board, meaning blocking spots 1 to 6 right in the quarter where you start. You can prime any other place on the board. This rule is actually enforced, even if you wanted only to move through the spot (which is incorrect I think), like when you have a double and you want to move through the sixth spot, temporarily blocking the section, and then move on.

3. unora 2014, 22:21:45

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Marshmud: I was not aware that blocking a long line of pieces was against the rules. It has happened to me many times and I am sure I have done the same to other players a few times. However there have been times when it would not let me place a piece where I have wanted to because it would mean blocking the other player. When I have been blocked and there is no way I could win I resign the game as I don't see any point in holding up a tournament. As we all know some tournaments can take years to be completed.

3. unora 2014, 14:40:33

Carpe Diem

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Přetvořeny oževatelem Carpe Diem (3. unora 2014, 14:43:27)

cd power: I also had no knowledge of this rule. I think it's great that you proactively follow it - I'd suggest that when you do, you let your opponent know. Something like:

"Hi there. I'm not sure you're aware of this, but I was obliged to move one of my pieces since you were unable to move; this is a rule of the game that isn't enforced by the software. Just letting you know in case you find yourself in my situation in a future game."

The wording of why you were obliged to move a piece could probably be improved to include whatever the actual rule says.

2. unora 2014, 22:50:37

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: I agree with you but I'm not sure you will get that clarification you ask for. If the game site can't implement the rules properly I'm not sure how you expect the members to play accordingly.

2. unora 2014, 18:30:50

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Marshmud: For me, it is an issue of honest sportsmanship. If a published rule is pointed out, it should be followed.

2. unora 2014, 17:21:47

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: By forcing your opponent to open up that spot after all his men is in his final section how do you expect to win anyway? I realize its mathematically possible.

I'm not trying to be rude just trying to understand the rule. If I was asked (and I never have) I would immediately open up a spot in my prime. I think 90% of the fevga players are unaware of this rule.

2. unora 2014, 16:59:29

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Aganju: Yes, my opponent thinks the rule is "unfair" and chose not to follow it after I pointed it out. It is a rare situation to have all checkers stacked on one point, and that is why most people are not aware of this rule. This is the first time I was the one with all checkers on one point, but it has happened several times where my opponents have stacked all of theirs, and I freed up a spot for them to have a chance to move. I believe you should always follow the rules at a game site if they are published... even if they are not your standard way of playing. Oh well.

2. unora 2014, 14:50:48

speachless

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: no clue about this rule...think my opponents either...

2. unora 2014, 13:57:54

beach

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Marshmud: me either I had to go and read the rules

2. unora 2014, 13:38:47

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Resher: I've played the games for years and had no idea of such rule. After 416 games and a fairly high ranking, I have never been approached of the illegal move.

2. unora 2014, 11:06:45

Resher

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

Aganju: I've found that most people are happy to play by the rules and have moved when it's been pointed out to them. If someone is refusing to abide by the rules and thinks it's OK because the programming lets them, then it ruins the tourny in my opinion. I'd message Fencer with the game id, point out that you've referred your opponent to the rules but they won't abide by them and ask Fencer to end the game in your favour.

2. unora 2014, 10:51:35

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: The bug has been "in force" since the implementation of the game. I recommend that the rules are not taken too seriously.

1. unora 2014, 21:13:57

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O čem je toďten plk: Re: Fevga Rule

cd power: the bug is well known for years, I was in the same situation. My opponent declared (when given that info) that 'the system does not enforce it so I don't care'

1. unora 2014, 20:46:07

skipinnz

correct, but due tobug in game it doesn't force your opponent to have to move. Trying indicating to him that he is not playing entirely within the rules and he may move.

1. unora 2014, 20:26:19