gogul: Then I suggest you are missing the point. I see no ego, I just see a kid that never got a chance to be a kid.

And being childlike has been said to be one of the most important aspects of ourselves by many people, and many religions and philosophies.

Tuesday: suffered the most... any info on why?

Tuesday: Michael gave up his life to sharks, that is sad for this man. That is the lesson, make your own coffee yourself, choose the color of your socks yourself, wash yourself in the bathroom. Not the you and me kind of problems.

Tuesday: Sexuality has nothing to do with abuse or predatory acts. A heterosexual man or woman is just as likely to commit such acts as someone who is gay. I think the stats (though I'm not 100%) say that heterosexual people are more likely, but if that is due to the difference in numbers of sexual preference I'm not sure.

It's all down to a long cycle and whether you are the 'one in eight', as I'm led to believe that is the likelihood of such a mindset being passed down from one generation of abused->abuser.

You don't solve your problems by taking a look at mj's life. People who don't know how to get decent, I don't know. Should I care? All that michael can teach is a howto 'be a puffed up ego' in five steps.

gogul: You know some people know they need to solve problems but don't know how.... or put into a state where they think such solving is not possible, or find such a task too daunting.

"Aww" reminds me of attitudes that have kept the cycle of abuse going, people led to believe that what they have been through is an unmentioned subject. It's normal...

It is not.

And if MJ's life leads to even just a small number of adults and children escaping such a vicious cycle then it'll never be a waste.

(V): This point comes as soon as your surrounding understands enough about TRANSGRESSION. Transgressive people are much worse than aggressors.

That's like the people who think that their spleens, little maniac tendencies, crazy ideas, their sweet depressions and all these bugs are tools to stress their surrounding. One day you come to a point where it is too late to solve your personal problems, and then you get the mess.

(V): Right. there is michael, there are kids, there is his daddy and his family. Michael serves as an example of somebody who didn't see the need to solve his personal problems. Lost childhood the poor michael? Aww

gogul: Politically.. not really... but as a matter of human interest... no.

We don't want to go back to the old days of abuse being hidden and not talked about.

And it is a politically talked about subject here in the UK, as several cases of abuse have come to light through those who are supposed to monitor at risk children have let down children resulting in deaths. Some people have lost their jobs over certain cases.

Allright. That's nuts. Mj's life is a failure.

Tuesday: If (as I've never seen any proof) Michael J had the skin disease then by all means he had the right to sort out that problem... But he started changing his appearance before the skin disorder became publicly known.

IMO many of his family were affected. Looking at how some of his brothers and sisters talk and look Michael was not the only one to suffer from his fathers wrath. He was just the most evident of the affect of long term abuse.

I'm not dissing him, just being honest in my thoughts.

There have been many cases come to light of long term abuse recently.. especially about one in Austria.... It can devastate a persons emotional growth.

As to him committing homosexual acts with these kids... unknown. But statistically the odds are that he might have had some out of the norm emotional deviations. Yet thanks to the first case being settled out of court, unless someone opens up we will never be quite sure.

michael Jacksons music and life is politically irrelevant. A few interesting people died lately, how about McNamara. Michael Jackson is taking too much space on this board.

Czuch: The late singer's unofficial biographer Ian HalperinIan told Britain's Daily Mail newspaper: "It is clear to me that Michael was homosexual and that his taste was for young men, albeit not as young as Jordan Chandler or Gavin Arvizo. In the course of my investigations, I spoke to two of his gay lovers, one a Hollywood waiter, the other an aspiring actor."


I also grew up enjoying Michael Jackson's music. What made him spectacular though isn't his music, it was his videos. He revolutionized the art of music videos.
What ever his personal sexual preference may have been, drug addiction, body dysmorphia, bizarre wardrobe, none the less he was an extremely talented person.
IMO....The Petition For A Decree From The U.S Congress through Title V of the United States Code (5 U.S.C. � 6103) or Presidential Proclamation form President Obama to recognize August 28, 1958, Michael Jackson's Birthday, as a federal holiday in memory of Michael Jackson........... I will "not" be signing.

Tuesday: ERrr mmm.. Not on this board.. Thank gawd for that! LOL

Hey.. by the way.. I like your icon pic.. love the design thingy..

Tuesday: Czuch: Where did you get he was homosexual?

There are many people within his "handlers group" that have admitted he has taken home the random gay waiter from restaurants etc... he supposedly had many gay encounters over the years....

ScarletRose: I was thinkin lady

politically speaking of course

Tuesday: NO.. I am a girl! LOL

*LKs around.. " Am I in the Politics room?

Tuesday: Jermaine didn't age well
You should post your fave Jackson video on the music board,Human Nature was my fave Micheal tune

Tuesday: Lyrics Wanna Be Starting Something Michael Jackson

I said you wanna be startin' somethin'
You got to be startin' somethin'
I said you wanna be startin' somethin'
You got to be startin' somethin'
It's too high to get over (yeah, yeah)
Too low to get under (yeah, yeah)
You're stuck in the middle (yeah, yeah)
And the pain is thunder (yeah, yeah)
It's too high to get over (yeah, yeah)
Too low to get under (yeah, yeah)
You're stuck in the middle (yeah, yeah)
And the pain is thunder (yeah, yeah)

Tuesday: if we avoid Faux News you can hardly tell us apart

Tuesday: Do you really think an average shmo would get the benefit of the doubt you are providing him?

I'm sure this same rational has been used in countless court proceedings by fat, poor unshaven bus drivers,and they probably didn't have 20 million to pay anybody off

Jim Dandy: Exactly. Or if he were a white guy sleeping with black boys Sharpton would sing a different tune.

Czuch: I think people sometimes buy into the 'Peter Pan' image he nurtured.If he was fat,unshaven, and drove a bus it would be percieved very differently IMO

Jim Dandy:

Tuesday: But come on... no difference between letting your own children sleep in a bed with you, and a homosexual adult letting minor boys that he is not related to sleep with him????

Tuesday: I used to jump into bed with my folks when I was a kid,but to my knowledge niether my mom or dad would invite other kids to spend the night in their bedroom

Maybe they'll bring back the ol' sheep licking the foot torture method.... makes cats tongues look smooth as silk!!

gogul: It's not dead. They'll just get fined or settle out of court!!

Another record.... Civilization!! New kings, different terminology.

Hu Gin Tao is too frightened to appear in L'Aquila. What a coward.