gogul: "Allright. That's nuts. Mj's life is a failure."


Very much so. You're about the only one making any sense of the MJ hysteria.

Artful Dodger: It depends on how people use the facts of his life.

(V): Frankly, who cares? MJ is dead. He's still dead. He's no model for anything. He was a musician and that's that. His personal life is not something to hold up as a model. He was a drug addict. He engaged in illegal activities. He was an abuser of drug and that's what killed him. And I'm growing tired of the victim attitude. Lots of people have poor childhoods but that's no excuse to do some of the things MJ did. Let's face it, if he were a old white unemployed bum, fat and unshaven, who just happened to have a similar unpleasant upbringing, and he was "sharing his bed" with kiddies (as a bridge to his childhood or whatever) you'd sing a different tune. So would the world.

Too many people made excuses for MJ in his life. That's why he's dead. Now they are making excuses in his death. Beyond stupid.

I loved his music. Ben is a favorite. I'm sorry he's dead. But facts are facts. He died because he abused drugs. And he paid a unscrupulous doctor to acquire the drugs illegally and administer them illegally. In that respect, MJ was a criminal. But the left will not allow this. Even though they went after Rush Limbaugh for his addiction to pills, and they wanted his head, MJ does worse and the left has only platitudes.

Artful Dodger: Yes... I think everyone agrees with that. That's why this could cause alot of good.... as stated!!

"Lots of people have poor childhoods but that's no excuse to do some of the things MJ did."

It's part of the cycle.. that's what I'm hoping such a big death in terms of publicity will change. Quite frankly if everyone just moans about the death and the hype then that will do no good.

And Bush already bankrupted America. Also he wanted more BiG BROTHER to monitor everything Americans did in the name of homeland security.

So.... everything you are accusing the democrats of doing, the republicans have done already!!

(V): You don't solve reckless spending with even more reckless spending. Obama is reckless.

Artful Dodger: Is he? Then most countries in the western world are in trouble as most are following the same path in some form.

(V): You can't spend trillions of dollars and get out of debt. And no business should be bailed out. Not the business of the government. Not the way the market works. You can't manage the market in that way. You'll see. GM is bankrupt anyway. So it didn't help. The government will drive things even worse in the auto market. Idiots. They know nothing of running car companies.

Artful Dodger: .... and your economic basis for this is?

Sometimes you have to spend to save.

Tuesday: but aren't there much more worthy ppl who deserve to be honored for doing hard honest work
not just bbeinga pop star
dodoesntake sense to me why hohonorim at all

Tuesday: the point im making if you honor one you have to honor them all and quite simply there isnt enough days in the year to do so..lol

Tuesday: Stalin I think had a bigger memorial... I'm not sure about other leaders of Russia, or as it became the USSR.

Tuesday: That or they've got some kinda of stasis.