Bumble what can you do about someone holding up a prize tourny?

Winner of my Five in a Line Tourney :

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?tri=34094

Jo

Just a short apology for those playing in this one. It started today (Saturday) because I got the date wrong. I hope anyone thinking it starting tomorrow doesn't miss their turn. All further tourneys the dates are correct.

lostroninsoul: http://brainking.com/no/TournamentSignUp?af=1&trg=9429&tri=46946&trnst=0

how do i sign up???!?!???

Here is a Quick Players Club Backgammon Open #1.
2 day moves, fixed weekends. 1 game per 2 players. 8 person sections.

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=9429&tri=46946&trnst=0

On winning my tournament :

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?tri=34106

Jo

It use to be nice on *cough* that when 2 people had equal points they both went through, sometimes even more. Is it possible that the use of SB to determine the outcome of a scetion be optional.

Backoff: I'll break it down for you.


Section #2:

Player 1 - 2 wins
Player 2 - 5 wins
Player 3 - 2 wins
Player 4 - 3 wins
Player 5 - 5 wins
Player 6 - 0 wins
Player 7 - 3 wins

So so to figure out S-B's
Player 1 - won against player 4 & 6. Player 4 had 3 wins. Player 6 had 0 wins. So 3+0 = 3. 3 S-B

Player 2 - won against player 1,3,5,6,7 = 2+3+5+0+3= 13. 13 S-B

Player 3 - won against 1,4,6 = 2+3+0= 5.

Player 4 - won against 2,6,7 = 5+0+3= 8

Player 5 - won against 1,3,4,6,7 = 2+3+3+0+3= 11

Player 6 - no wins = 0

Player 7 - won against 1,3,6 = 2+3+0= 5

I really don't understand how the finish in section 2 of http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?tri=45268#2
happend. Care to break it down for me? If we got rid of the S-B, then we both would have moved on due to points.

jfa: Original team members.

When the first team tournament goes to final round will it be the original team members or the current team members that play?

Thad: That's an excellent point, Thad - it really is meaningless.

If the win/loss is the same, just play the tiebreaker round. How is that not the fairest way?

Congratulations to Robsaranga - the first winner of a beginners tablut tournament, winning event #4 - http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=8474&u=14258&trnst=10&tp=19

He will be the first invitation to the final event.

Event #10 has yet to start, so for those not yet entered into the beginners tablut series, you've got just under a week to get involved!

i won the following 2 tournaments via the s-b points

http://brainking.com/nl/Tournaments?tri=22439
http://brainking.com/nl/Tournaments?tri=21880

the funny thing is the first i won against someone with a lower bkr and a lower seed
the second one i won against someone with a higher bkr and higher seed

(of course the bkrs are useless as they have changed, but the seeds havent, so their bkr was already lower and higher than mine at that time)

Pedro Martínez: But if you compare losses, it doesn't make sensse. If we use the section I mentioned a few posts down, JackS & I each ended up with only one loss and everyone else had more. Clearly we will finish 1-2. JackS lost to me, so he lost to either the first or second place guy. I, on the other hand, lost ot a lesser ranked player. when you look at it that way, it seems that JackS should advance.

S-Bs work when everyone does not play everyone else. For example, it would work in the NFL where every team does not play every other team. It is essentially a measurement of strenght of schedule. But since it's used here at BK inside sections, where we all play each other, it is meaningless.

Pedro Martínez: thanks .. i like it as well .. i believe i have won some tournaments that way ;)

I am against removing s-b. It prefers win against better players to wins against lower rated players and I like it that way. And to answer Hrqls's question, yes, of course it is used, it's not a BK speciality...

Thad: in real time tournament (playing in clubs in the so called real world (yes there is a world beyond this one! ;)) ... are winners determined by their s-b points as well .. or will players who won an equal amount of games win together ?

Hrqls: What do you mean?

Thad: is s-b used in real time tournaments ?

Thad: agree.

I think S-Bs stink and should be eliminated. If two players tie with the same win/loss record, they both should move on to the next round. How do others feel?

BIG BAD WOLF: Who woulda thunk it? Thanks BBW!!

jfa: First you need to add a team to the fellowship.

Then after you add a team (for example, Backgammon team) - you will see a link to add a tournament.

NOTE: After you create a tournament, you can safely remove the team from the fellowship if you do not want it - but you need to at least add it to create the tournament.

Will someone please tell me how to create a tournament within a fellowship? I do not see any way to do this.

For beating me out in a hard fought final round 3-2, to take the last remaining tourney championship in My Stinking Brother's Pente Tourney (aka Pente and more Pente - and then some more) , thus stopping my quest to win at least half the variations....

Awesome match, redsales, kudos.

Backoff: bkr has nothing to do with s-b ... only the games won by your opponent in that tournament account to your s-b

like this one http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=2810&tri=9113

there are 2 sections with more than one winner despite the difference in BKR.

Thad: Actually, only you (Thad) should win the section. jack will have the same points, but will not have as high of a S-B as you.

Backoff: That only happens when the top two players both lose to the same lower rated player, which is not the case here. He lost to me and I lost to someone else.

I think S-Bs should be eliminated and players who tie for section wins with identical win/loss records should both move on. Since we're not doing tournaments with set brackets when it starts, like professional tennis tournaments or the NCAA basketball tourneys, an extra player (or players) advancing won't affect things much, but will make tourneys more enjoyable and fair (IMO).

you and jack should move to round two.

BIG BAD WOLF: Please explain to me who is going to win Section 1 of this tournament:
http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?tri=41627#1

A question I get every once and awhile is how the S-B works in tournaments, and it is pretty simple once you know how it works - so I decided to just post a good expination here for everyone to read who might have questions.

First, I picked a tournament as an example: THIS TOURNAMENT

Now first, the points are figured. You get 1 point for each win. So:

(1)arpa - 3 wins, 3 points

(2)zockerdotcom - 3 wins, 3 points

(3)SMART ALX - 0 wins, 0 points

(4)Ladybird68 - 2 wins, 2 points

(5)Merrily Watkins - 2 wins, 2 points.

Now once all the games and points are figured, this is where the S-B is figured.

The S-B is the SUM of the points of your oppenets that you won against. So:

(1)arpa(3 points) - had win against player 3, 4, and 5. Player 3 had 0 points. Player 4 had 2 points. Player 5 had 2 points. So 0+2+2=4 [4 S-B]

(2)zockerdotcom(3 points) - wins agains 1,3,5. So 3+0+2=5 [5 S-B]

(3)SMART ALX(0 points) - [0 S-B]

(4)Ladybird68(2 points) - wins against 2,3. So 3+0=3 [3 S-B]

(5)Merrily Watkins(2 points) - wins against 3,4. So 0+2=2 [2 S-B]

So first the person with the most points win. In this example, both arpa & zockerdotcom have 3 points each. At this point we look at the S-B. zockerdotcom has 5 S-B, while arpa only has 4 S-B, so zockerdotcom gets the win for this tournament!

IMPORTANT NOTE: The winner of a tournament is the one with the most points. In some cases, the person with the highest S-B will not have the most points, so does not win. Only time S-B comes into play is if there is a tie in points.

Hope this helps everyone!

First I had a few people ask me if I was going to make more of the "Fast Start - First 5 to sign up" tournaments like I've done in the past - well I've started them back up - And this time to make the games a little quicker, NO DAYS OFF has been added to the games - meaning no weekends and no vacations. 3 days should be 3 days!

Check out the Tournaments to see what is currently up. When I see one get filled with 5 players, I start that and make a new tournament.

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Second, since the last "dummies" tournament did very well - almost had enough players to start every game! Anyway, The #10 for dummies tournament is ready for sign ups.

ALL games for dummies (under 1500 & unrated) #10

For players rated 1500 or under

For unrated players

5 days to move, standard days off

GREAT for someone learning a new game

GREAT for someone to play without being "killed" by experts

To start around July 10.

Good Luck to all!

frolind: i would love to join ... but i will be at work then .. and cant make a move every hour :(

frolind: A ten wins final match!?!

frolind: fearsome :)

Fencer: I'll write it in the description.

frolind: I hope the participants will understand that no timeouts would be restored.

Insomnia Backgammon

rod03801: thank you

As each one is finished, the winner is notified.

In a tournament that has different games is the winner of one of the game types notified when that game type is finished or when the entire tournament is over?

Our Hyper Backgammon team still has 2 places open. So if you'd like to take part in the up coming Team Tournements then Join the SCRL fellowship.

congrats on winning my backgammon tourney :

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?tri=34108

Jo

furbster: I've just noticed that, furbster...:)..and edited the post...

only 2 now i think Pedro, fungame has signed up :o)

The Zoo chess team desperately needs 2 more people to play in the fellowship tourney...your rating is not what matters, please peeps, come on and join the other animals in the Zoo's chess team...