grenv: No grenv, his examples he showed me that the bids can force people in a "defensive" mode, betting higher to keep one player from winning the bonus, when in fact, they become self defeating, and many people run out of money sooner. I seemed to remember that if you play too cautiously and don't win any bonuses, you can end up with your bankroll being doubled or tripled or even more by his bidding winning bonuses. If you try to get bonuses after you fall behind, it costs you too much to earn them, and you lose that way. I think.