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6. Gennaio 2009, 19:08:04
Constellation36 
Argomento: Re: continual problems
Nothingness: Perhaps you are forgetting to disable also the "Include unrated players".

7. Gennaio 2009, 00:20:35
nodnarbo 
Argomento: Re: continual problems
Nothingness: when you say "it says anyone can play" I assume you mean on the invitations area under opponent where it says 'anyone'. This just means the invitation is not to a specific player, and not that your BKR limits are not in place.

does this help?

7. Gennaio 2009, 15:24:51
Nothingness 
i am unsure if the settings have taken hold. I currently have two games posted both with settings where players with low ratings under 1700 or 1800 cannot play me. in the past players with 1100 have been able to play me. Its says anyone can play when i look at my posted game.

7. Gennaio 2009, 15:37:58
Nothingness 
i also checked this on guest mode and it seems that it is open to all players.

7. Gennaio 2009, 16:03:16
Snoopy 
Argomento: Re:
Modificato da Snoopy (7. Gennaio 2009, 16:05:58)
Nothingness: i have a low rating in that game and cannot see your games when i look at waiting games so i am assuming other low rated players cant either

7. Gennaio 2009, 16:08:48
rod03801 
Argomento: Re:
Snoopy: Hmm.. If it is open fast espionage, I have no rating and can see a game of Nothingness' in there.

7. Gennaio 2009, 16:26:52
Snoopy 
Argomento: Re:
rod03801: i tried comming in in guest mode
i could see his games and it even allowed me to accept one which ive since deleted
so there does appear to be a bug somewhere

7. Gennaio 2009, 16:53:27
nodnarbo 
Argomento: Re:
Nothingness: I created some invites to test it out, and I've had one game accepted so far and it was within the limit I set

7. Gennaio 2009, 17:13:16
pauloaguia 
Argomento: Re:
Snoopy: You cannot accept games in guest mode... Can you?

7. Gennaio 2009, 17:14:57
Bwild 
I cant see it...I have no rating in that game

7. Gennaio 2009, 17:15:30
pauloaguia 
Argomento: Re:
Nothingness: I cannot see any invitation from you in the Waiting Games list...
I think in guest mode you can sell all games... I say this because I noticed in the past that the red number by the waiting games list is always much bigger than the one I can see when I'm logged in... but then again, I may be wrong.

7. Gennaio 2009, 17:50:46
Snoopy 
Argomento: Re:
pauloaguia: i came in in guess mode clicked said game then clicked log in and it let me accept the game
it still should of not let me

7. Gennaio 2009, 21:45:38
pauloaguia 
Argomento: Re:
Snoopy: Oh, I see... I'd call that a bug

8. Gennaio 2009, 00:52:27
nodnarbo 
Argomento: Re:
pauloaguia: I'd call that Fencer not realizing the caliber of the idiots he was idiot-proofing the site against

8. Gennaio 2009, 01:17:41
alanback 
Argomento: Re:
nodnarbo:If that's the case, he must not read these boards carefully! We have some steel-jacketed, armor-piercing idiots on this site!

8. Gennaio 2009, 14:33:21
SL-Mark 
Argomento: What have we learnt?
alanback: "Never underestimate the ingenuity of an idiot"
Equally, "Never attribute to ingenuity that which can be explained away by stupidity"

10. Gennaio 2009, 17:49:46
Binabik 
Argomento: translation
Some time ago I think someone mentioned a link(?) to go to in order to translate a conversation - I've looked through BK and on the net but have trouble finding one that helps me.... one of my opponents is having a one-sided conversation with me since I don't speak Czech.... could someone help me please? Thanks!

10. Gennaio 2009, 19:47:36
trohat 
Argomento: Re: translation
Binabik: http://brainking.info/archives/520-ImTranslator.html or http://brainking.info/archives/521-gTranslate-and-more-BKR-change-estimations.html ... or just post it on some Czech discussion board and we will translate it for you

10. Gennaio 2009, 20:33:11
Binabik 
Argomento: Re: translation
Modificato da Binabik (10. Gennaio 2009, 20:51:35)
trohat: Thank you Trohat!
I tried the second link and it works beautifully!

11. Gennaio 2009, 13:04:28
Mousetrap 
Argomento: Airmiles
What a shame we cant collect airmiles while playing games

13. Gennaio 2009, 09:27:33
MrWCF 
Argomento: Finished Games

Is there any place on the site where I can see the total number of finished games of a particular type? 


I see where I can get the total number of running games of a particualr type.  And I see where I can get the number of games of a particular type finished by each of the 50 most active players.  But I can't see where I can get the total number of finished games of a particular type.


13. Gennaio 2009, 09:40:12
Hrqls 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
MrWCF: at the top of the game rules is a box with Statistics of won games ... add up those 3 numbers and you have the total

i am not sure if games which were finished (give up, or time out) within 2 moves are in there as well .. neither am i sure if unrated games are in there .. i dont think games which dont count for the win statistics of a player are in there

13. Gennaio 2009, 10:28:16
MrWCF 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
Hrqls: Thank you!

13. Gennaio 2009, 14:46:09
AbigailII 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
Hrqls: Actually, that number gives you the number of finished matches. If you and I play a '9 win match', and you win 9 games, I win 8, and we have 7 draws, it counts for just 1 in the statistics, but we have played 24 games.

13. Gennaio 2009, 15:49:54
Hrqls 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
AbigailII: true ... i forgot about that ... i dont think anywhere in the statistics or profiles you can see the separate games

13. Gennaio 2009, 17:35:35
pauloaguia 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
AbigailII: Actually I think it's the number of won games.
If not, in a 2 game match, how would you count it if a player won both games? As a black victory or a white victory?

13. Gennaio 2009, 17:46:04
AbigailII 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
pauloaguia: I've played many 2-game matches where both sides have won one game. Brainking always reports them as a draw. It counts as a single game when calculating BKR. So, I assume it's counted as a 'draw' in the statistics on the rules page as well.

13. Gennaio 2009, 17:50:29
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
AbigailII: I think he means that in a 2 game match, isn't it supposed to switch colors in the 2nd game? So if you were black in one game of the match, you would be white in the other game of the match. So he is wondering which color that would be classified as a win for, if one person won both games.

I had originally answered the same way as you, but then I re-read it.

13. Gennaio 2009, 18:21:05
pauloaguia 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
AbigailII: Brainking reports the match as a draw and your BKR is calculated based on match results.
However, those statistics are color based statistics. I'm guessing they refer to game results rather than match results...

But I'm sure Fencer will enlighten us...

13. Gennaio 2009, 18:27:52
Pedro Martínez 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
Modificato da Pedro Martínez (13. Gennaio 2009, 18:28:19)
pauloaguia: I believe Abigail is right. This game, I mean match, for example, is taken as a win for the Black.

13. Gennaio 2009, 18:46:45
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
Pedro Martínez: Yeah, it must credit the win to whatever color the winner was in the last game of the match?

13. Gennaio 2009, 18:51:16
Pedro Martínez 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
rod03801: I guess so.

13. Gennaio 2009, 23:45:07
pauloaguia 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
Pedro Martínez: Why do you say that? It says you won the game, not that black won...
Also, Horde Chess is one of the most biased games in the site. Because of that many people choose to play it as 2 games matches to be fair for both players. Often these 2 games matches end in a draw (1 win for each player).
Yet, in the statistics, the number of draws is very small... Most of them probably from agreement between the players.

14. Gennaio 2009, 00:06:09
Pedro Martínez 
Argomento: Re: Finished Games
pauloaguia: Go to your profile and click "Finished Games". Scroll down and take a look at the table displaying your last 10 games. In your 2-win Lines of Action match with The Saint, you see that you played as Black and you won. When you click the game, you can see that you were playing as Black in the last game.

As for the Horde Chess, I think it's better to look at this page. You can clearly see there how many draws there have been and you can easily find them in players' profiles. Or, you can download all the Horde Chess games from the Rules page.

14. Gennaio 2009, 13:55:45
AbigailII 
Argomento: Ideas for new games.
The site Setup Group has information (and rules) about quite a number of perfect information games. Some of them are already found on Brainking, but many aren't. Most of them have quite simple rules, and won't require new graphics if they were implemented here.

Perhaps Fencer will get some inspiration and surprise us with some new games in the future.

16. Gennaio 2009, 16:55:17
Snoopy 
Argomento: memory laspe again..lol
in say a 3 win match do all games count has a win for BKR
or is it just if you win the finished match?

16. Gennaio 2009, 17:21:53
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
Snoopy: Just the final results of the match affect BKR

16. Gennaio 2009, 17:24:18
Snoopy 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
rod03801: so does that include game types to?

16. Gennaio 2009, 17:26:47
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
Snoopy: I don't know what you mean. But basically, you need to consider any sort of match as the single entity that matters.

16. Gennaio 2009, 17:28:51
Snoopy 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
rod03801: ah i meant in a 10 win match do all 10 games count by themselves or all together but i think youve just answered my question

16. Gennaio 2009, 17:37:52
AbigailII 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
Snoopy: Well, it counts as a single result - but unfortunally, it's a "winner takes all" kind of result. It doesn't matter whether you win a match 1-0 (single game), 15-0 or 11-10.


This is unlike (ELO) chess ratings. There the rating difference between players A and B would, for instance, say that in a 10 game match, A is expected to win 7-3. If A wins the match 6-4, A would actually lose rating points (and B would win rating points).


This is why I seldomly play matches.


16. Gennaio 2009, 18:04:12
Roberto Silva 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
AbigailII: I agree, BKR changes should be based on GAMES, not MATCHES. Ratings should update every time a game is finished, even if the match still goes on.

16. Gennaio 2009, 18:44:25
Snoopy 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
Roberto Silva: yes i agree to i would never have joined the 10 win matches if i had realised this

16. Gennaio 2009, 19:24:39
Constellation36 
Argomento: Re: memory laspe again..lol
Roberto Silva: In that case the MATCHES option would become meaningless in non tournament mode.

16. Gennaio 2009, 20:00:15
Bwild 
a multiple game match is a game..therefore only 1 win and 1 loss.

16. Gennaio 2009, 20:20:18
alanback 
Argomento: Re:
Bwild:This is only one example of how screwed up the BKR system is.

16. Gennaio 2009, 22:46:08
Bwild 
Argomento: Re:
alanback:if you say so. I dont personally concern myself with ratings per say...I just enjoy the games and the many good people who play here.
like most things...ya gotta take the good with the bad.

16. Gennaio 2009, 22:48:30
alanback 
Argomento: Re:
Bwild: I agree that ratings are not important.  But if there is to be a rating system, I feel it should operate rationally.

17. Gennaio 2009, 21:00:39
DamnCat 
Argomento: Don't you guys have anything better to do here?
I am getting tired of this sandbox that BrainKing is turning into. Some users in here seem to spend all their time hating on others, making polls about them left and right, and seem to have made it their mission to badmouth them all they can. I know there are people in here acting like idiots, but there are idiots everywhere. What you all are doing, calling out people in polls and all other public places, is very Kindergarten like. Are you sure you are adults??? Seriously, I'm here to play games and I am not at all interested in hearing about who is an idiot and who is not. If you have a problem with someone, ignore him/her! If the person is being really nasty, take a screen dump and send it to an administrator, it is really not the business of everybody else on BK! I can't be the only one who is tired of all of this?! And even if I am, I am happy I got this off my chest. I am sure I am stepping on some sore toes now but I really don't care, I had to say it.

/DamnCat

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