I haven't been getting emails when people move when im offline since the recent problem

hmmmmmmmm....see what happens when you dont pay the bills - All my "events" messages have dissapeared -

JerNYC: bots and software is always a problem on a game site ... not just for new players .. for example i could start using some chess software as well, and just claim i got more time to think about my moves to clarify my raise in ranking (if i would ever raise :))

for new players something else might happen: some people tend to finish winning games first, beore they finish the games in which they seem to lose .. this tends to a higher ranking for new players and a high win/loss ratio at first

(also games which you are winning usually require less effort and will be finished faster from your side, than games which you might be losing in which you have to think about every move several times)

JerNYC: I just don't see the benefit. Do people actually turn down a lot of games with higher rated players? It's not like you can get hurt too badly by playing players rated much higher than you - it's usually to your benefit to do so. If you lose, you lose very little (or nothing) in rating points, and if you win, the gain can be huge. 

crosseyed: I'm a skeptical person. I don't take everything at face value. I've just seen this happen a few times already where a new handle appears out of nowhere and wipes everyone off the board without so much as a loss. Yes, I find that a little weird. I tend to think it's an advanced player who has concealed their known handle and their abilities in order to attract fresh meat. As far as cheating, it's already known that people do use software. I know on one site where there are bots that are programmed to play games.

crosseyed: agreed :)

Bernice: Sounds like sour grapes to me.

JerNYC: If there was a farm or a million dollars etc on the game I would worry, but I could care less - if they have to use special software to be good - good luck to them :)

when a new player shows up and absolutely demolishes the competition? Especially when you don't recognize their name from any other sites. I always wonder if it's a previously top ranked player who created a new handle because it was probably hard for them to get new games. Then, you also have to question if they're possibly using a special software. Just wondering if there are other suspicious minds out there. (Elvis song pun intended :D)

ketchuplover:

Dano

rabbitoid: Dano has probably been around more than any of you have been aware of. I don't see him to be that much of a bother on the boards.. although, I haven't had time to read the boards.. 

Walter Montego: Thank's a lot for your follow up Walter. Nice to know. I think I can live with it.

speachless: The history of auto-pass on this site is a turbulent one, to say the least. Even Backgammon itself has had much troubles. As for admins, you mean Fencer, whose name is Filip, but goes by Fencer. I believe quite some time ago after Backgammon had been added to the site there was much discussion about adding an auto-pass feature. Somehow the members that oppose using it persuaded Fencer to allow them to turn it off even if they joined a game created with it. I do not follow their arguments for being against auto-pass in the first place, but this compromise such as it is is something I think is a major flaw in the playing of Backgammon. But it is as it is. There was once a time when Fencer stated emphatically that there would never be an auto-pass feature. This was when I stopped playing Backgammon completely about seven years ago. I started again a couple of years ago as there is now a auto-pass, flawed it may be and quite useless for the most part in matches with the double cube, but there it is.

Bernice: yes, to the web-administrators... if there are any.

speachless: admins??

Walter Montego: i agree with you, if the creator of a game turns autopass on it shouldn't be possible to turn it off. but this wasn't my issue actually, opponent and me as well had both autopass turned on for the affected games. but the problem seamed to be a temporary problem, it didn't happen again today... so everything is fine.

did you already propose your idea to the admins?

speachless: I have had problems with auto-pass on occasion. It would just stop working in a game that both players had used it in earlier. As I play many more games in matches using the double cube, it is something that doesn't come up very often as the opponent, even with three pieces on the bar, still get sent a option to offer a double. It does come up very rarely in the Crawford Round, and in some cases where I have the double cube and my opponent still has to click the enter move button.

I would still like to have the auto-pass feature as one the cannot be shut off by your opponent or yourself if the game was created with it in use. If you don't like the auto-pass, then don't join a game that has it.

hi all
the last 24 hours i'm having auto pass issues on different games against different players, it means even if the opponent can't make a move, he has to confirm the pass... is there anyone else that has the same issue on games with active auto pass? there is no doubling in the affected games...

Pedro Martínez: he is not banned or hidden on this board

rabbitoid: Dano is around, but I think he was banned from all DBs.

Is danoschek still around? We could use some constructive input here

Checkers requires as many brain cells as chess.

badgerboy78: not all foolishness ... he made a valid post at first and a discussion came from it ... from his point of view it was a good feature to have

about half of the posts were about that ... the rest was childish ... and he is banned for crossing the line (although others werent as polite as i would like either, but they didnt cross the line yet)

Marshmud: he is banned ... i was on my bike from work to home

Over 100 posts dedicated to foolishness. children, children please

Marshmud: ... a little bit... yeah :)

Hrqls: Is it not time to moderate? Its a bit offensive now..

jadarite: i meant you calling us all bitches, that has nothing to do with the discussion

we talked about your wish as well, in fact discussed it to quite some length and came up with some solutions which might work as well .. and are probably easier than to change this site

jadarite: this profile of yours shows you have completed no games yet, that is what cd power was pointing to

you might have played more games on another site, but that doesnt contribute to your experience on this site .. cd power means some experience is needed to know what you are talking about ..... like me i made a few misclicks and lost some games due to that, or my opponent was polite enough to recognize it and take no advantage of it

or you played more games on this site with another account ... then why not use that account right now ?

pedestrian:

That's not what I am saying. I am not saying the opponent would lose anything. If we had a game and made moves every day, what I am saying is that after 4 hours, if I make a move to "draft" mode I get 20 hours to change it. It doesn't affect our 1 day policy. It just means the game won't go faster.

jadarite: i sent you an official warning .. stay polite and dont use rude language or you will be banned ... this is the first and last warning

i let this go on as i thought the language was (just) not over the edge, but now it goes too far .. i will let these messages stay as to not destroy the history

Aganju: There's one problem with skipping Wednesday and Thursday: Vacations would get shorter. A three week vacation, for example, would only last 15 days - and 6 of those days would have been weekend days anyway. Maybe we could make this feature optional? I would like to be able to change my preference from time to time...

jadarite: No, you missed the point. It is not about "proving yourself here," but rather you will see by playing games that you do get that draft mode by clicking your move, then you can sit there and think about it if you wish, or make notes and come back later. Anyway, I see that you have left... I always knew you were just trolling here and using some fake profile you created in 2010 without a single finished game.

jadarite: you seams to get pissed off to me, you turn to an agressive mode, I don't need to discuss at your deep level about it. if you're not able to use the note-function before sending a move, then just get over it !

speachless: "Isn't it in life and in games as well corresponding that sometimes people make a wrong decision/move"

Dear innocent soul, this isn't about making a wrong move.

Do you make moves instantly? Really? Or do you use T H O U G H T?

All I am saying is before we click submit, we have a draft function.

If you don't understand 101 Draft Email ideas then come back later.

cd power: "Honestly, it is difficult to take your suggestion seriously when your first log-in to this site was in 2010, but yet you have not completed a single game here. Finish 100 games and then tell us what % of those games you lost because you were unable to use a "draft" mode."

Now we have it folks. Before a good idea is conceived, it must be after 100 games. You guys are braindead in the 1990's technology scene.

I am trying to help you.

I have played 1,000 games not 100. I don't need to prove myself here to have a good point.

jadarite: Isn't it in life and in games as well corresponding that sometimes people make a wrong decision/move, and we usually don't get the opportunity to turn the time back? If people click to send their moves, it doesn't care if it was a wrong move, it is part of the game to make mistakes or am I wrong? If you're not sure about a move, you just shouldn't send.

jadarite: Honestly, it is difficult to take your suggestion seriously when your first log-in to this site was in 2010, but yet you have not completed a single game here. Finish 100 games and then tell us what % of those games you lost because you were unable to use a "draft" mode.

jadarite: All games have a notes function where you can write, for example, your intended next move. If your worry is that you will forget the move you intended between the first time you looked at the board and the second time you can write it there. A lot simpler than recoding brainking to allow for those with Alzheimer’s.

jadarite: Then perhaps you are the one who hasn't been reading carefully. Just input your move, but don't hit the "move" button until you are sure.

If you want to have multiple games where you do that at the same time, open multiple tabs (or windows) and do that in each game that you choose.

No need for any new programming whatsoever.

Pedro Martínez:

"I have a suggestion too: It would help me a lot if Friday came right after Tuesday. Now let's discuss the pros and cons…

I do not know why you care if I “actually” play Shogi, but you are welcome to visit my profile and see for yourself."

I never suggested removing Wednesday or Thursday. That is the point you are not getting. It is already in the system where we can have 1 or 2 days before making a move. So in theory, Friday could come after Tuesday. We could play a game where 2 or more days could pass before one of us has to make a move.

All I am saying is that if we think of a move before said time permitted, then we also be allowed to alter that move BEFORE SUBMITTING.

The reason why I asked you about knowing shogi is that I was wondering how you could relate to the suggestion I made. It is similar to knight moves in chess where they could go to the same square.

You have spent a lot of time attacking me, now try to spend 1% in support. I am not here to hurt you my friend. Maybe in the end you will see the light.

happyjuggler0:

You didn't read carefully. I wasn't requesting to change a posted move. The request was to post it later. Do you understand how "draft" works with email?

Pedro Martínez: Now that is a brilliant suggestion. I just removed "feature requests" from my favorite boards.

Justaminute: Good point. I no longer read the Feature Requests board, as I believe it would be a waste of time.

Justaminute: If there was a feature that allowed you to change a posted move, then that would be the first thing I would vote to have that abolished if given a choice.

Pedro Martínez: You could extend that argument to why does anyone post anything to the Feature Request board. If I was voting for useful features, being able to change a posted move wouldn't get very far up my list.

On another note, I have now found out that the tiny-font line that used to appear right below the name of a poster and saying what the person is doing has been removed… Oh well, just another useful feature that is gone…

Aganju:

Pedro Martínez: i actually think this is a good idea. Nothing important is on Wed or Thu typically, and if anything would be there, I could easily move it to Fri. So I support that change.
(Of course I understand that you meant to _remove _ Wed and Thu, not just reorder the sequence and have them somewhere else)
That would also help with work/live balance, as right now the ratio is certainly skewed with 5:2. Having 3:2 instead is a big step in the direction of balancing them.