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1. Ottobre 2008, 21:12:40
Stardust 
A draw may be obvious to the whole world but if one player refuses there is usually no justifiable recourse. Fencer intervened and that is admirable. Apparently that is NOT the case on Goldtoken where a game of checkers between NLStardust (me) and 3334 has been tediously played for almost 7 years.

1. Ottobre 2008, 21:43:15
david upshaw 
What? 7 years? Thats crazy. lol. Are either of you asking for a draw?

I used to play on Goldtoken, but like this site so much better.

1. Ottobre 2008, 23:53:16
Stardust 
Argomento: Re:
david upshaw: I offered a draw in January of 2002. He refused. Rules of the game say one can only offer a draw once. He waits til the last minute before he's to time out then he moves the game. He has timed out the maximum number of times allowed. That game is the only reason I still visit that site.

2. Ottobre 2008, 00:33:26
John Toomey 
Argomento: The draw debate
haven't had much of a problem with 'irksome' folks not conceed draws here. But how come the game doesn't automatically declare a draw when the same board position is repeated three times? that's how it works on its your turn, and that seems a very reasonable system.

2. Ottobre 2008, 11:08:30
Manuel M 
Argomento: Re: Love is in the air?...
Stardust: The only reason I find to keep a game for 7 years (and it seems to go on and on...) is that both payers are the most stubborn in the world!!! Weeeell, I could figure another reason, but it would be something like a marriage....lol...is it?

2. Ottobre 2008, 11:08:30
Manuel M 
Argomento: Re: Love is in the air?...
Stardust: The only reason I find to keep a game for 7 years (and it seems to go on and on...) is that both payers are the most stubborn in the world!!! Weeeell, I could figure another reason, but it would be something like a marriage....lol...is it?

2. Ottobre 2008, 12:44:31
Stardust 
Argomento: Re: Love is in the air?...
Manuel M: Yes,I'm stubborn...I resent your other insinuation

2. Ottobre 2008, 17:14:20
Gabriel Almeida 
Argomento: Re: Love is in the air?...

Stardust: 3334 is a lucky guy! ;)


John Toomey, you are right. And IYT it's not the only place where it happens: in REAL LIFE (well, I'm talking in classic checkers case), those are "draw rules" wich are described and used. And some other rules are available (Once again, I'm talking in classic checkers): with 3 queens, one of them in the "main central line" (We call it "the river", in Portugal) Vs 1 queen, you have only 12 moves to win the game. Or if you have 2 queens and a pawn, Vs 1 queen, you have 20 moves to move your pawn, or it is a draw.


2. Ottobre 2008, 21:25:41
Stardust 
Argomento: For Clarity...
Because misunderstandings can occur......I am too stubborn to resign an obvious draw against someone who is so small minded to not accept one. I resent the insinuation that the game on gt is anything more than that.

3. Ottobre 2008, 00:42:09
Purple 
Argomento: Re: For Clarity...
Stardust: Badger has the authority to declare the game a draw,

3. Ottobre 2008, 02:17:11
Stardust 
Argomento: Re: For Clarity...
Purple: She denied me

4. Ottobre 2008, 01:46:53
John Toomey 
how come some folks, 'badger', can declare draws? why isn't it automatic as per the professional rules?

5. Ottobre 2008, 12:32:05
pattypoo 
Stardust: i have games on this site that are almost 3 yrs old. I just left from looking at their profile, looking at games with me only..in four games i won and one was a draw and the other three were not even finished and they all say he won. tell me how that works.. I hate cheaters.

14. Ottobre 2008, 08:39:26
aaru 
Argomento: 1500, 10000, 1600
Please sign up -> 1500 ;), 10000 :D, 1600 ;) (single elimination for 8, Fisher's clock 3/0.8/15 with autopass & immediately start)
More informations about Fischer's clock on BrainKing & BrainRook

Hawaiian Checkers - I need 3 players more
&
Checkers - 2
Anti Checkers - 4
Corner Checkers - 5
One Way Checkers - 5
Parachute Checkers - 5
Gothic Checkers - 3
Turkish Checkers - 1
Alquerque - 4
Hawaiian Checkers - 4
International Checkers - 4
Rusian Checkers - 4
Canadian Checkers - 4
Thai Checkers - 5
Brazilian Checkers - 4
Portuguese Checkers - 3
Italian Checkers - 4
Dameo - 4
&
Hawaiian Checkers - 4
& other games

28. Dicembre 2008, 16:19:37
Purple 
Argomento: Need Just Two More

28. Dicembre 2008, 16:19:45
Purple 
Argomento: Need Just Two More

31. Dicembre 2008, 14:03:39
Purple 
Argomento: Re: Need Just One More
Purple: If one more person can sign up the tournament will be a go. Anyone can win..so give it a try!

31. Dicembre 2008, 15:12:35
david upshaw 
I want to wish everyone a Happy New Year!

31. Dicembre 2008, 16:34:39
Undertaker. 
Argomento: Re:
david upshaw: Thanks David, good luck to you too

31. Dicembre 2008, 18:35:34
Gabriel Almeida 
Argomento: Re:
david upshaw: Missing 6.30h, in Portugal... Happy 2009 to all of you, too!

5. Febbraio 2009, 02:28:42
Purple 
Argomento: Tiger Checker Club
We are now accepting applications for checker players.

11. Febbraio 2009, 13:59:43
Purple 
Argomento: Re: Tiger Checker Club
Tuesday: Not at all. We are all learning.

12. Febbraio 2009, 02:54:06
MrWCF 
Argomento: Question About the Rules of International Checkers
In International Checkers, enemy pieces jumped over are not removed until the entire move is completed. 
Why is that?  Since pieces may only be jumped over once, why not remove them as you jump over them.  I could understand if you could jump over a piece more than once; then it would make sense not to remove it until the move was completed. 
Can someone explain the logic behind this rule?

12. Febbraio 2009, 14:27:46
Gabriel Almeida 
Argomento: Re: Question About the Rules of International Checkers
Modificato da Gabriel Almeida (12. Febbraio 2009, 14:30:55)

MrWCF: This rule also exist in other variants, like in Portuguese checkers, and it does matter, sometimes. The question is that you can only jump once over each piece, in your move. To guarantee that you respect this, the "mechanism" is that the jumped pieces are only removed in the end of your move. If pieces were removed just after jumped, you would be ignoring that rule.


I don't know if I was clear: the question is not the piece taked (jumped) twice. The question is that a taked (jumped) piece works like a "wall" - that's the spirit of that rule!



 


20. Febbraio 2009, 12:07:39
WinterAngel 
Argomento: Hawaiian Checkers?
Looking for any one who would like to play this game. Not to many play this game.Why?

20. Febbraio 2009, 12:47:12
Undertaker. 
Argomento: Re: Hawaiian Checkers?
WinterAngel: Did you try this? http://brainking.com/en/Stairs

20. Febbraio 2009, 20:17:19
WinterAngel 
Argomento: Hawaiian Checkers;
I have already checked there none going of that game Thank You.

20. Febbraio 2009, 21:08:33
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: Hawaiian Checkers;
WinterAngel: You couldn't have checked correctly. There are Hawaiian Checkers games on each set of stairs on that link. (Except the "cubed" stairs of course, as those are only backgammon games) Once you click the link he provided, you then click on the type of stairs with the time controls that you like. You will see a list which includes every single game Brainking offers. You then join the stairs for that game, and choose someone to play.

20. Febbraio 2009, 22:17:02
WinterAngel 
Argomento: Thank You ;
Thank,s Rod. Got it now Agian ty.

23. Febbraio 2009, 04:57:49
John Toomey 
Hi all, hope life's good with you!

23. Febbraio 2009, 04:59:52
The Usurper 
Argomento: Re:
John Toomey: Would be better if you'd pick up one of my open invites. lol

23. Febbraio 2009, 05:35:03
The Usurper 
Argomento: Re: open invites
John Toomey: Games got picked up. Life is good.

25. Settembre 2009, 12:59:22
Helibore 
Argomento: Re: Question About the Rules of International Checkers
MrWCF:

It is because you have to take track of the multiple captures, I guess.
So your opponet can aks you to take the correct jump if you made a mistake.
Were they removed, it is almost impossible to reconsruct and to object.

28. Settembre 2009, 14:12:58
AbigailII 
Argomento: Re: Question About the Rules of International Checkers
Helibore: I doubt that is the case. After all, if you make a mistake, and the stones are quickly removed the situation is the same. Furthermore, in any serious competition, players must write down their moves anyway.

No, the reason is that you are not allowed to jump a stone twice. If you make a multiple capture using a queen, if you would remove the stones during the move, it may be that it appears the queen has a free path, instead of being blocked by an already taken stone.

While speaking on this subject, shortly after International and other national checker variants appeared, I asked Fencer to make it on the move confirmation visible which checkers had been taken in this move (for instance, by showing them with a blue border). He answered positively, but it still hasn't happened. :(

13. Gennaio 2011, 14:45:42
Purple 
Argomento: Top Players
What is a person to do when the top player "does not wish to be invited to any games?" He will stay there forever with no one ever having any hope of overtaking him. Makes a maockery of the rankings.

13. Gennaio 2011, 15:44:20
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Purple: Actually, quite a while ago it was implemented that after 90 days of not completing a particular game, a rook will be hidden on the rankings. Once they complete another game, they "re-appear". You will notice on your own profile, that each game that has a "red" date, you do not have a ranking in.

For pawns, I believe it is 30 days.

13. Gennaio 2011, 16:36:21
Purple 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
rod03801: Then once every 89 days you can play an EASY win from someone rated 50th and your rating will be unaffected. Too easy to manipulate and I would like stiffer penalties for inactive players.

13. Gennaio 2011, 17:12:35
Hexis 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Purple: Do you mean any particular players?

13. Gennaio 2011, 17:23:26
Purple 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Hexis: I am speaking in general. I can't rise in the rankings because no top player will play me.

13. Gennaio 2011, 17:45:48
Gabriel Almeida 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Purple: I can understand Why... I wouldn't play against you either. Or against Pinchitos, or against Ustica...

13. Gennaio 2011, 17:48:35
Gabriel Almeida 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Purple: Anyway, people are free to choose who they wanna play with. For several reasons. Time they use in a game, for example. Or for "friend affinities". Or even other reasons. I like to play against some good players because I trully believe they are "fair players" and I can always learn something with them. I believe they also like to play with me.

14. Gennaio 2011, 14:21:59
Purple 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
rod03801: Do you think Fencer would reconsider setting up some ladders, maybe in chess, checkers and Backgammon to begin with? Goldtoken and It's Your Turn have them and anything they can do we can do better. Not so?

14. Gennaio 2011, 17:59:48
rod03801 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Purple: Well, we have had Stairs for years now. (Same general idea as ladders)

http://brainking.com/en/Stairs

14. Gennaio 2011, 20:42:42
Purple 
Argomento: Re: Top Players
Modificato da Purple (14. Gennaio 2011, 20:44:46)
rod03801: Never really checked it out. Thanks

4. Luglio 2011, 16:03:24
Darles Chickens 
Modificato da Darles Chickens (12. Luglio 2011, 12:48:06)

I stopped playing regular checkers after finding that some of my opponents were using programs such as CakeManchester or Chinook to make their moves. So, I downloaded Cake Manchester, from Martin Fierz's homepage and now, when I want to play a good game, I do it against my machine. What I found a few months ago, was that Martin also developed a suicidal version for his Cake (here known as anti-checkers). I downloaded it too, and after playing some games against it, I found very familiar moves from games I had with two or three opponents, specially from ItsYousTurn.com. I surely hope that people will reconsider the use of such programs in their moves, or there will be no interest at all to keep playing those games here, against real players, when in reality we're doing that against a machine...



By the way, the site to download those programs: http://www.fierz.ch/checkers.htm 


4. Luglio 2011, 23:55:55
Purple 
Argomento: Re:
Darles Chickens: I had KM members who regularly beat programs. They were that good.

5. Luglio 2011, 00:14:49
Stardust 
Argomento: Re:
Purple: The KM members who beat those programs did so because they were using those programs

5. Luglio 2011, 01:03:56
Purple 
Argomento: Re:
Stardust: Program vs Program ends in draws 99 out of 100 times.

5. Luglio 2011, 12:29:16
Darles Chickens 
Argomento: Re:
Purple: lol...as the saying goes: "you missed a good opportunity to be quiet". As we all know, km gang had a reputation (how can I say this in a soft way?...) at least questionable. Or maybe praiseworthy for those who only seek win, regardeless the means to achieve it...For me, using a program is always regrettable and shows lack of principles.

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